I just saw farenheit 9/11

We don't have a problem for the west being what they are.
We have a problem with America, I mean Come on, most of the third world hates America .. we're not the only ones. Actually, half the europieans think Ameria is a threat to world peace.
http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?aid=13324&sid=9

America = occupation.
Iraq = resistance.

what's so hard about this to understand?
 
The part where most of Europe is wallowing in self pity and pining for the days when it wasn't more than a useless sliver of hypocritical socialist failures.

Yea, that part.
 
Alright. Well, I guess we'll have to leave.

Put Saddam back in power. Give him 10 billion dollars, hell more than that.

We'll even supply him with a few nuclear reactor's so he can pump out some plutonium.

There is a new industy selling plutonium. :)
 
GiaOmerta said:
Alright. Well, I guess we'll have to leave.

Put Saddam back in power. Give him 10 billion dollars, hell more than that.
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you already did that, try something else

meh in a few years you'll have to come back to overthrow PM Allawi for being "evil" and possessing WMD ..but right now he's "the leader that will bring the good people of iraq to freedom" (cue patriotic music)
 
meh in a few years you'll have to come back to overthrow PM Allawi for being "evil" and possessing WMD
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Nah, we wont have to do that because the Iraqi people will be able to using the power of democracy.
 
hahahahahahhahhahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahah democracy?hahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahah

hahahahha ..heheheh ..hehe ..heh

Allawi kills his opposition!! what kind of democracy is that?!!! I'd be willing to bet big $ that Allawi will "win" the election ..he has to or else he wont get that fat CIA bonus that's coming to him for all his loyal work
 
they were members of the resistance, yes they are the opposition. They oppose US rule ..Allawi works for the US

but I guess that makes it ok :rolleyes:
 
hilarious! he still works for the CIA ..who gave the US false information that saddam had gone to Niger?, who gave the US false information that saddam was capable of launching missles at the UK in 45 minutes? Who gave the US false information that saddam was behind 9/11? Allawi Allawi Allawi!!!

..but dont take my word for it here's what some iraqis had to say:

"Allawi is a traitor to the people of Iraq, said Dr. Um Mohammed who works at a hospital in Baghdad. ”He is an American puppet who enjoys the killing of Iraqis.” A trader in central Baghdad Abdel Hakim Abdulla said Allawi has ”never made a decision that benefits Iraqis.”

”Ayad Allawi says we are his family,” said Mohammad Ali, a 53-year-old refugee wounded by U.S. bombs in his home in Fallujah. ”Can you attack your family, Allawi? Do you attack your own family, Allawi?”

read this or this or even this
 
CptStern said:
hilarious! he still works for the CIA ..who gave the US false information that saddam had gone to Niger?, who gave the US false information that saddam was capable of launching missles at the UK in 45 minutes? Who gave the US false information that saddam was behind 9/11? Allawi Allawi Allawi!!!
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If Allawi wanted to dispose of Saddam why would he hinder the US from finding him?

Missles in 45 minutes, wtf?

Where are you getting your information Cap'n? Honestly.

Osama Bin Laden is based in Sarajevo, Bosnia.

That statement holds as much light as your crude statements.
and of course people are going to bitch and complain that's what we, as a species do best.

:sniper: :x ----=>
 
GiaOmerta said:
If Allawi wanted to dispose of Saddam why would he hinder the US from finding him?


Missles in 45 minutes, wtf?

Where are you getting your information Cap'n? Honestly.

Osama Bin Laden is based in Sarajevo, Bosnia.

That statement holds as much light as your crude statements.
and of course people are going to bitch and complain that's what we, as a species do best.

:sniper: :x ----=>
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you're new here so I'll forgive you for questioning my sources :)

"Missles in 45 minutes, wtf"

allawi said saddam behind 9/11, Allawi said Saddam went to Niger to get uranium
 
..but dont take my word for it here's what some iraqis had to say:

"Allawi is a traitor to the people of Iraq, said Dr. Um Mohammed who works at a hospital in Baghdad. ”He is an American puppet who enjoys the killing of Iraqis.” A trader in central Baghdad Abdel Hakim Abdulla said Allawi has ”never made a decision that benefits Iraqis.”

”Ayad Allawi says we are his family,” said Mohammad Ali, a 53-year-old refugee wounded by U.S. bombs in his home in Fallujah. ”Can you attack your family, Allawi? Do you attack your own family, Allawi?”
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And I'm sure you will also post some quotes from Iraqis that agree with him as a leader. Once you accomplish this, I will read your links.
 
allawi just wants iraq like a Normal country, instead of the saddam regime (as saddam robbed all the iraqi people of thier money, and kept it all for himself and his army). im sure the people who said that would rather allawi than saddam, so they shud shut thier mouths
 
It's to early to tell what he will do. Although, I wouldn't think that the US would want a leader who wants the occupying forces booted out of there, so that may force the U.S to......"sway" the election in favor of Allawi.
 
seinfeldrules said:
And I'm sure you will also post some quotes from Iraqis that agree with him as a leader. Once you accomplish this, I will read your links.
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Then he'd be debating against himself. It's up to other people to back up their statements, not his.
 
Then he'd be debating against himself. It's up to other people to back up their statements, not his.
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He'd just be posting a reasonable argument. Nothing wrong with that.
 
http://www.iraqpress.org/homepage.asp?fname=ipenglish\2004-07-14\1.htm

But the researchers from the center found that the Iraqi public has little faith in the new interim government of Ayad Allawi, with only 27 percent approving the formation of his cabinet.

However, more than two thirds (81 percent) said they would like Allawi’s government to disarm local militias or bring them under its control.

But more than half believed that the forthcoming general elections would be “just and fair” while only 18 percent said they would be “unfair.”
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Doesnt really say if they like him or not. They clearly dont approve of the cabinet, but the poll didnt ask about Allawi himself. Seems most Iraqis do support ridding themselves of the resistance though.
However, more than two thirds (81 percent) said they would like Allawi’s government to disarm local militias or bring them under its control.
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And here we have some contradiction.
And 66 percent of Iraqis objected to the presence of foreign troops while only 29 percent said their presence was necessary.

An even lesser number – 41 percent – said they would feel safe if the troops left.
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Nice one!

But what do YOU believe is right?

I personally start off sceptical of the US in whatever they do; but I try and find evidence for and against them - I just find it hard to trust the evidence for US, when it's always from the media.

It certainly shall be interesting to see how Iraq unfolds, I really hope it get's sorted.
 
seinfeldrules said:
And I'm sure you will also post some quotes from Iraqis that agree with him as a leader. Once you accomplish this, I will read your links.
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that's just stupid, as Bait pointed out, why would I argue against myself? ..it's up to you to prove me wrong

btw:

"Allawi had the greatest name recognition of any politician, with 47 percent of Iraqis supporting him for a seat in the new parliament. But rebel Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr came in a very close third, with 46 percent backing him for an assembly seat."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52674-2004Oct21?language=printer
 
By the way, don't you think that as only 54% of the Iraqis asked are happy with Saddam being toppled is evidence that the upcoming shift will be VERY difficult.
 
"Allawi had the greatest name recognition of any politician, with 47 percent of Iraqis supporting him for a seat in the new parliament. But rebel Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr came in a very close third, with 46 percent backing him for an assembly seat."
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How did Sadr come in third with 46%? That is mathematically impossible.
 
seinfeldrules said:
How did Sadr come in third with 46%? That is mathematically impossible.
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The US creating a new way to display election results, in their unstoppable rise to world domination. Probably :O
 
burner69 said:
The US creating a new way to display election results, in their unstoppable rise to world domination. Probably :O
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haha I see now. They were referring to how many people recognized his name, not how many would vote for him. That little clipping was misleading.

In an interview with Abu Dhabi television, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said yesterday that Iraqis want democracy and are unlikely to go "from one form of totalitarian state to another form of totalitarian state." Both U.S. officials and Iraq experts note that the rise of Islamic parties does not necessarily mean creation of an Islamic government or theocracy such as Iran's.

President Bush said Tuesday that he would be "disappointed" if free and fair elections in Iraq led to the seating of an Islamic government, but that the United States would accept the results. "Democracy is democracy," he said. "If that's what people choose, that's what the people choose."
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Doesn't allawi have an international warrent against him by interpoll.
(I'm not sure about this, I think I read it somewhere, if someone knows if this is true please tell and post a link)
 
Doesn't allawi have an international warrent against him by interpoll.
(I'm not sure about this, I think I read it somewhere)
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If its true then they sure know where to find him now ;)
 
seinfeldrules said:
haha I see now. They were referring to how many people recognized his name, not how many would vote for him. That little clipping was misleading.
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man you're gullible as if the US is going to spend billions to further their cause and then abandon it altogether and leave the elections to chance? we'll see what happens after the elections
 
man why the hell do bushists think they have the right to speak in the name of MY people?! stfu.
 
becasue ur people keep gasing each other and blame us
 
hasan said:
man why the hell do bushists think they have the right to speak in the name of MY people?! stfu.
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Location: Calgary, Canada
Maybe you should relocate and do something about it.
Actions speak louder than words.
 
so as we speak you're signing the papers that'll send you to iraq to support your country? nice knowing you, always wear your helmet
 
No need to sign papers.
Thinking maybe start my own Anti-Jihadist faction. Fight fire with fire. :)
 
anti-holy war faction? ya I'm sure you'll find a whole whack of terrorists in middle america :upstare:
 
Reclaiming Babylon in the name of Alexander the Great.
Allah had it for long enough.
 
man you're gullible as if the US is going to spend billions to further their cause and then abandon it altogether and leave the elections to chance? we'll see what happens after the elections
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To each his own. Bush said it, not me. An overwhelming number of the Iraqi people want to vote, something they could never do before.

man why the hell do bushists think they have the right to speak in the name of MY people?! stfu.
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Man can it, I have as much right to post what I do as you do. This isnt the Saddam regime.
 
GiaOmerta said:
Reclaiming Babylon in the name of Alexander the Great.
Allah had it for long enough.
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so now your macedonian?

seinfeldrules said:
To each his own. Bush said it, not me.
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what did you expect him to say?

"We're holding the elections but what they hey! we know who's gonna win, our boy!"
 
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