Israel V Hezbollah?

[Shakermaker]

my questiong is who started this?

it was hamas?

The Shia Palestinian organisation Hezbollah -working from Lebanon- kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and then Israel started it's assault on Lebanon.

 

[Nemesis6]

Hamas was actually the ones who started, HizbAllah followed suit when they did the same. Hamas kidnapped two Israeli citizens, a soldier and a civilian. The civilian was killed immediately, and the soldier's whereabouts are unknown, but they claim he's alive. Hamas started, HizbAllah(Iran, Syria) continued, and Israel is forced to conclude it.

 

[Ome_Vince]

:upstare: then why is israel targeting roads, bridges, the airport, communications infrastructure etc? Civilians are dying by the scores, to ignore it by saying it's a "collatoral damage" is whitewashing the fact that scores of civilains are dying who have nothing to do with hezbollah

To prevent Hezbollah from transporting the captured soldiers to Syria.
Yes, there are civilians dying, and it is collateral damage in this assault to stop the terrorist organisation Hezbollah.
Unfortunate but true, terrorists have a way of mingling with civilians.

 

[Shakermaker]

To prevent Hezbollah from transporting the captured soldiers to Syria.
Yes, there are civilians dying, and it is collateral damage in this assault to stop the terrorist organisation Hezbollah.
Unfortunate but true, terrorists have a way of mingling with civilians.

This isn't collateral damage anymore. Like the Lebanese prime minister said: Israel has cut Lebanon to pieces. "Israel now is a terrorist country that is committing every day a terrorist act," says PM Siniora in an interview with Reuters. And I tend to agree with him. The Israeli reaction is totally disproportionate. You don't lay waste to a complete country to make sure that those soldiers don't get transported to Syria / Iran.

 

[Solaris]

The first 1 is targetting civies on purpose, the other is collateral damage in which Hizbollah is mostly responsible.
Not that collateral damage is "good" or "acceptable" but when Hizbollah hides amongst civilians and according to the news yesterday has been reported using children as human shields, launches rockets from residential areas, has its HQ in an appartment complex in the middle of the city, the responsibility imo lies mostly with Hizbollah who (what a surprise..) also happened to start this.

What? It's Hizbullahs fault? Hizbullah move into a civillian nieghbourhood, it doesn't really effect the civillians, then Isreal bomb the civillians, and maybe some hizbullah people, that is Isreals fault. The civillians are innocent and Isreal killed them, directly.

 

[Javert]

I'm sorry, but I can't treat a terrorist group that rhymes with "lezbola" seriously...

 

[Ome_Vince]

What? It's Hizbullahs fault? Hizbullah move into a civillian nieghbourhood, it doesn't really effect the civillians, then Isreal bomb the civillians, and maybe some hizbullah people, that is Isreals fault. The civillians are innocent and Isreal killed them, directly.

*moves missile launcher into our neighbourhood kindergarten. :angel:

It doesnt effect the civilians? it puts them in harms way by making them a target!

 

[Solaris]

*moves missile launcher into our neighbourhood kindergarten. :angel:

It doesnt effect the civilians? it puts them in harms way by making them a target!

Yes it does, you are right. But the the civillians a entilteled to a right to life, and it is not hezbullah who are denying them this, it is the people dropping bombs on them.

 

[kirovman]

Well, they're deliberately using them as human shields.

But yeah, Israel shouldn't be bombing civvies either.

Both sides are waaay in the wrong. Dumb vs. Dumber.

 

[Solaris]

Killing Hizbullah is not more important than protecting the lifes of innocents.

 

[kirovman]

Well, I agree.

But that doesn't make Hezbollah right, just because Israel is wrong.

 

[lePobz]

You know, a lot of wise people quoted older wise prophecies claiming the last great war would start in the middle east. I don't really like the term 'last great war'. Either we'll become a race of peaceful spiritual folk after this, or we're going to blow the shit out of ourselves. I'm a man of faith, but seriously - If age-old prophecies and wise people are correct, We're ****ed.

 

[Solaris]

Well, I agree.

But that doesn't make Hezbollah right, just because Israel is wrong.

It will in the eyes of many of the locals no doubt.

 

[lePobz]

I'd like to take the time to link you all to a page I found that was written 6 years ago.

Well I would, but hl2.net is blocking tripod sites. Why? I don't know. I'd post the page contents in here but that'd take too much room. I've duplicated it and put it here instead.

Enjoy!

 

[DreadLord]

Has the page worked any time in the past six years?

Error: Host Not Accessible

 

[Solaris]

Dead link.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Killing Hizbullah is not more important than protecting the lifes of innocents.

Are innocent Israeli's included in your reasoning?
I agree this israeli attack is out of proportion, but Hezbollah's end will safe many future lebanese and Israeli innocents.

 

[Solaris]

Are innocent Israeli's included in your reasoning?
I agree this israeli attack is out of proportion, but Hezbollah's end will safe many future lebanese and Israeli innocents.

No, just new terrorist groups will emerge.

 

[lePobz]

Dead link.

So click the link from the duplicate page I made, or just read the duplicate page. It's intrigueing stuff considering it's all legitimate stuff, although it's just a case of people reading what they want to read, and jumping to conclusions. Don't they know misreading religious documents is how wars begin?

 

[Shakermaker]

Thank you!

Harsh site: http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

Some shocking pics in there, so beware.

 

[CptStern]

I couldnt get past the banner pic

 

[Korgoth]

Harsh site: http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

Some shocking pics in there, so beware.

If you can look at that site and honestly say Israels' response to the kidnapping is justified, and worth the "collateral"... Then you are a monster, plain and simple. This doesn't prove one side right or wrong, it just proves both sides wrong, so don't support either, support PEACE.

 

[Solaris]

If you can look at that site and honestly say Israels' response to the kidnapping is justified, and worth the "collateral"... Then you are a monster, plain and simple. This doesn't prove one side right or wrong, it just proves both sides wrong, so don't support either, support PEACE.

That site makes my blood boil, thoose kids writing on the artillery and then that picture of that child killed by Isreali fire, it's sickening.

 

[Tr0n]

So soon after Israel takes Jerusalem the end of the world will occur. It says 'this generation shall not pass till all these tings be fulfilled'.

A generation in the Bible is 40 years, so the end of the world will be 40 years after 1967: 2007.

Oh shit.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Sickening site. Its also a nice one-sided collage.

 

[Solaris]

Sickening site. Its also a nice one-sided collage.

Then your missing the point.

 

[CptStern]

Sickening site. Its also a nice one-sided collage.

well to be fair there's only been 25 israeli deaths ..8 of them soldiers ..in contrast:

At least 227 people have been killed and more than 450 wounded, according to figures reported by the Lebanese national police and the military. Among the dead are 20 Lebanese army soldiers and two Hezbollah guerrillas.

only 2 militia members killed ......



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071800730.html

 

[Ome_Vince]

^^^ Thats because Hezbollah's weapons "suck".
If they get more Iranian missiles (which they probably will), they can do much more damage and kill many more civilians.
Also, every civilian casualty is a tragedy Israeli or Lebanese.

@solaris = heh, not much of a point to miss. War is hell, and killing civilians is hell.
Unfortunatly, it walks hand in hand with warfare, in this case ignited by Hezbollah when they walked across the border to kill a group of soldiers and kidnap 2, whether Israel's response is out of proportion or not.

I believe the end of organised terrorist organisations like Hezbollah is necessary for peace in the long run.
Though i agree, the way the Israeli's are "Trying it now" is not a very "good way" to say the least

 

[Solaris]

^^^ Thats because Hezbollah's weapons "suck".
If they get more Iranian missiles (which they probably will), they can do much more damage and kill many more civilians.
Also, every civilian casualty is a tragedy Israeli or Lebanese.

@solaris = heh, not much of a point to miss. War is hell, and killing civilians is hell.
Unfortunatly, it walks hand in hand with warfare, in this case ignited by Hezbollah when they walked across the border to kill a group of soldiers and kidnap 2, whether Israel's response is out of proportion or not.

I believe the end of organised terrorist organisations like Hezbollah is necessary for peace in the long run.
Though i agree, the way the Israeli's are "Trying it now" is not a very "good way" to say the least

Hezbullah attacked soldiers.
Isreal attacked civillians.

 

[CptStern]

pretty ****ing sad if you ask me

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea

 

[Ome_Vince]

Hezbullah attacked soldiers.
Isreal attacked civillians.

Israel attacks Hezbollah in the south. Hezbollah fires rockets into Haifa..

 

[Nemesis6]

Hezbullah attacked soldiers.
Isreal attacked civillians.

Bullshit. HizbAllah targets everything Israeli and Jewish(as proven by the bombings in Argentina). Israel targets terrorists that murder its citizens.

You know, normally I would be astounded by such ignorance in the form of moral equivalence, but you have a communist mass-murderer in your avatar, so that kind of explains why you support and trivialize the deaths of soldiers because they're soldiers and not civilians.

 

[Shakermaker]

Bullshit. HizbAllah targets everything Israeli and Jewish(as proven by the bombings in Argentina). Israel targets terrorists that murder its citizens.

Dude, maybe you haven't read Stern's post properly but the 'score' so far is that the Israeli's have killed at least 227 people in this conflict of which 205 were civilians and Hizbollah killed 25 people of which 17 were civilians. You do the math.

You know, normally I would be astounded by such ignorance in the form of moral equivalence, but you have a communist mass-murderer in your avatar.

... coming from a person that has a quote from a communist mass murderer in his sig. What's your point?

 

[DreadLord]

... coming from a person that has a quote from a communist mass murderer in his sig. What's your point?

Owned.

 

[Nemesis6]

Dude, maybe you haven't read Stern's post properly but the 'score' so far is that the Israeli's have killed at least 227 people in this conflict of which 205 were civilians and Hizbollah killed 25 people of which 17 were civilians. You do the math.




... coming from a person that has a quote from a communist mass murderer in his sig. What's your point?

Evil men do say wise things sometimes. Hell, I bet Che the Pinko even spouted out some wisdom at some point.

And shaker, HizbAllah is using Katyushas and Iranian-made missiles. It's no wonder they're not as effective. If they had better equipment, this would have been a full-out war by now and Israeli body counts would be about 50 times bigger.

 

[Shakermaker]

And shaker, HizbAllah is using Katyushas and Iranian-made missiles. It's no wonder they're not as effective. If they had better equipment, this would have been a full-out war by now and Israeli body counts would be about 50 times bigger.

That's not the point. To quote you again:

Israel targets terrorists that murder its citizens.

Israel probably doesn't target civilians, but they have so far killed well over 200. Plus the Israelis wrecked a country that was just blooming up after years of civil strife. Israel might blow up some of Hizbollah's equipment but they will get new munitions from abroad (Syria / Iran). Recruiting new members will be much easier, coz the Israeli bombings created a lot of sympathisers. In a way the Israeli attack only made the problem worse.

 

[CptStern]

Evil men do say wise things sometimes. Hell, I bet Che the Pinko even spouted out some wisdom at some point.

what? is that a rehearsed line you heard somewhere? like some freaking mantra you chant so as to help you sleep at night?

And shaker, HizbAllah is using Katyushas and Iranian-made missiles. It's no wonder they're not as effective. If they had better equipment, this would have been a full-out war by now and Israeli body counts would be about 50 times bigger.

unsubstantiated speculation

 

[gh0st]

unsubstantiated speculation

yet utterly realistic. looks like lebanon should have done something about hezbollah or they wouldnt be getting stomped out. too little too late.

 

[CptStern]

yet utterly realistic.

unlikely; they're terrorists right? how many terrorists have access to the latest military hardware? unless you're saying they're capable but that would again be unsubstantiated speculation ...in other words your argument is meaningless

looks like lebanon should have done something about hezbollah or they wouldnt be getting stomped out. too little too late.

that's like nuking seattle in response to the death and destruction caused by the bush administration. I guess the millions of dead would just be a "regretable unforeseeable circumstance"

 

[15357]

that's like nuking seattle in response to the death and destruction caused by the bush administration. I guess the millions of dead would just be a "regretable unforeseeable circumstance"

#1. He said "Lebanon"

#2. Unless you meant that the bush administration would somehow nuke seattle to take care of terrorists, your post in accordance with gh0st's is rather irrevelent and simply null.