Lost Season 4

Good episode... But i feel that the show has lost the connection to the earlier episodes. It's like they make up most of it as they go along.
So many sideplots started just to be left unexplored.
Does anyone remember the skeletons in the cave? Those black and white stones?
There are many minor things like this I noticed while rewatching season 1.
 
Yeah, but if we've seen anything with this show it's that it takes a very long time sometimes for things to pay off. Even little things, like the cable in the sand too almost 2 season to get an explanation.
 
Rizzo89 said:
Does anyone remember the skeletons in the cave? Those black and white stones?.
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Those things are of major importance though - that's end of the Season stuff. Lost is like a book, and the Seasons are the chapters.
 
Great episode, messed with my head a few times.
The end was a bit of a tear jerker.
 
Physics handwaving= FAIL.

"You need a constant!!!"

What, like the gravitational constant?
 
Physics handwaving is the backbone of all science fiction.
 
I just recently got into Lost, am currently nearing the end of Season 1 so it'll take some time till I get to Season 4, but I must say no other show has sucked me in like Lost, it's just awesome.
 
theotherguy said:
Physics handwaving= FAIL.

"You need a constant!!!"

What, like the gravitational constant?
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I think this was more of a geeky physical analogy then any real attempt at adding in any science. Faraday would be the sort of person to think about psychology in terms of mathematics.
 
I wonder how much info Penny got from the first mate's journal.
 
I wonder why Mr.Widmore wanted that journal...

Judging from the last trailer, we will see a new DHARMA station (The Orchid maybe)... can't wait!
 
Perhaps he's just a collector and didn't realise at the time that it was important...or not.
 
Maybe we will find out soon, Alan Dale - Mr. Widmore is listed in the cast for the next episode...
 
Widmore is one of the corporations behind the fake Oceanic wreckage. I think he's one of Ben's "Bad Guys".

Also I don't think the new Station is the Orchid - rather the Tempest, which is an electrical Station that powers the Island.
 
Direwolf said:
I think this was more of a geeky physical analogy then any real attempt at adding in any science. Faraday would be the sort of person to think about psychology in terms of mathematics.
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Bullshit, the whole thing reeks of the writers delving into ideas they don't understand with charachters they can't possibly relate to.

"He wasn't transported to the future, only his MIND" - Mind body duality? Who is this, decartes?

"He's dying of an aneurism because he can't decide between the past and the future!!!!"- Why the hell would that give you an aneurism? I'd be more concerned with the neurons magically transporting from place to place from the "gamma radiation".

"Was he exposed to any gamma radiation, or (oh god) electronmagnetics!?!?"

Here's what gamma radiation does to you: it gives you cancer, it kills your immune system, it makes your hair fall out. It doesn't make your brain magically transport from place to place. here is what electromagnetism does to you: it makes your hair stand up on end.

In his folder: endless streams of f(x) f(x) f(x) f(x), as if that actually meant something. Random scribbles of circles and nodes, several greek symbols without any real math, a diagram of a black hole, and a couple of waveforms.

Please, this is almost as bad as Star Trek.
 
riomhaire said:
Perhaps he's just a collector and didn't realize at the time that it was important...or not.
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Maybe because the previous owner of the journal was a certain

Tovard HANSO... remember the Hanso foundation? financial backer of Dharma?

Then again, why he would decide to sell such important material is the question. Hmm...

To theotherguy : Dude, this isn't a Discovery Channel documentary. As long as the sci-fi mumbo jumbo is enough to drive the plot, thats more than enough.
 
theotherguy said:
Bullshit, the whole thing reeks of the writers delving into ideas they don't understand with charachters they can't possibly relate to.

"He wasn't transported to the future, only his MIND" - Mind body duality? Who is this, decartes?

"He's dying of an aneurism because he can't decide between the past and the future!!!!"- Why the hell would that give you an aneurism? I'd be more concerned with the neurons magically transporting from place to place from the "gamma radiation".

"Was he exposed to any gamma radiation, or (oh god) electronmagnetics!?!?"

Here's what gamma radiation does to you: it gives you cancer, it kills your immune system, it makes your hair fall out. It doesn't make your brain magically transport from place to place. here is what electromagnetism does to you: it makes your hair stand up on end.

In his folder: endless streams of f(x) f(x) f(x) f(x), as if that actually meant something. Random scribbles of circles and nodes, several greek symbols without any real math, a diagram of a black hole, and a couple of waveforms.

Please, this is almost as bad as Star Trek.
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Good thing the rest of the show is pretty realistic what with the island and ghosts and smoke monsters and ohshi-
 
The whole "mind moves back and forward in time" idea isn't even unique to the show, so calling it out on that point seems kinda like calling out Back to the Future because the flux capacitor I built doesn't work. Since the starting point for the idea is that "science as we know it is either wrong or incomplete" you have to either accept it or reject the whole show. To boot, it's an idea that has been around the block quite a few times, and examples can be found in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five and Lovecraft's The Shadow Out of Time.
Characters
 
Theotherguy is right though. I'd think it was incredibly stupid if I still cared much for the plot. I only have a vague interest in Lost now.
 
Am I the only person who doesn't think that Electromagnetism or Gamma Radiation are the sole causes for Desmonds hopping back and forth? If he was exposed to them, maybe something still in his body/mind from it is going nuts with whatever is protecting that island, and nobody knows why, just know what it does...."
 
Desmond is just a bloody magnet for temporal anomalies.

Let me clarify my position on the latest episode. The whole mind jumping back and forth thing, while it makes no sense in real science, is perfectly acceptable in a series where one of the most recently added characters is a ghostbuster.

What I don't like is the way Faraday just pulls this constant thing out of his ass. It seems as if this experiment never worked before, so where does he get this idea from? I know he has been considering the ramifications of this, but it just seems like he's making it up as he goes along, and is right. Also, why the hell did the mouse die? Faraday said it was because nothing linked the future and present for it, but he was in the same maze or cage, in the same room, so what exactly was unfamiliar? Also, the mouse dying before he learns the maze creates a TIME PARADOX.
 
I think Lost's time travel works differently than say, Back to the Future's. Causality doesn't seem to take a jump along with time, meaning that the mouse's death doesn't effect it's past, and its past involved it learning the maze.
 
Yeah, rewatched the episode tonight. Desmond's block of missing time while in Faraday's lab and the fact that Faraday has Desmond as his constant strongly suggests that my earlier ideas was wrong.
 
theotherguy said:
"He wasn't transported to the future, only his MIND" - Mind body duality? Who is this, decartes?
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It's thought an easy way to time travel is to only send the mind. Instead of The body.


theotherguy said:
"He's dying of an aneurysm because he can't decide between the past and the future!!!!"- Why the hell would that give you an aneurysm? I'd be more concerned with the neurons magically transporting from place to place from the "gamma radiation".
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He's dying because it's because getting harder for his mind to make the jumps back and fourth between the times. Minkowski sp* said this as he was dying. "Can't.. get..... back..... DEAD" And if I remember correctly Dan mentioned it to.

theotherguy said:
"Was he exposed to any gamma radiation, or (oh god) electronmagnetics!?!?"

Here's what gamma radiation does to you: it gives you cancer, it kills your immune system, it makes your hair fall out. It doesn't make your brain magically transport from place to place. here is what electromagnetism does to you: it makes your hair stand up on end.
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That's why it's called science fiction and not science fact.

theotherguy said:
In his folder: endless streams of f(x) f(x) f(x) f(x), as if that actually meant something. Random scribbles of circles and nodes, several greek symbols without any real math, a diagram of a black hole, and a couple of waveforms.
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Some greek letters are used in math. You have to know this one > λ the lower case lambda. It's used in math to calculate the rate of decay in a radio active substance I think.

btw I spell checked some of your post enjoy.
 
That scene at the end with hurley and sawyer was great though.

"See you guys at dinner :D"
 
Oh I loved that part.

Man I was really weirded out by Ben in that dinner scene with Juliet. I've never seen him... happy.
 
My grand theory is that the island is some type of:
Garden of Eden. The light acts odd, people heal at a rapid rate, people that are paralyzed are no longer kinda like the healing powers of Jesus. Time slows down and can even see the future, people cannot have children to not overcrowd the garden, angels visit them.

People return from the dead on the island. These people can actually talk to other people and even physically contact them. They are angels IMO. The show is heavily focused on religion and Hurley even saw Charlie after a guy pointed him out. In the mobisode, Jacks dad even sent the dog to go and awaken Jack because "people need him".

The island has some type of connection to heaven or the electromagnets do something with the body. Jack is healing people at a rapid rate, Locke gets shot and manages to get out of a deep pit. The Russian guy is a prime example.

The Monster represents evil. Just like in the garden of Eden, the snake maintained order. The Monster was the islands security system as Daniel said.
 
You forgot a real clincher there, hool:

The two skeletons at the caves nicknamed "Adam & Eve" by Locke.
 
Avoidist said:
You forgot a real clincher there, hool:

The two skeletons at the caves nicknamed "Adam & Eve" by Locke.
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Oh yeah that's right! :D Also:
They were at least 50. Since time on the island is distorted, they must be like 500+ years old. They were probably talking to Dharma members as well. Buried by them as well.
 
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