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[CptStern]

the lack of proof is the same in the jaywalking incident and the cop smoking pot...I would have no way of proving he was smoking.

 

[Foxtrot]

You could report him and they might search his house, or give him a drug test/make sure he is not cheating on his drug test.

 

[CptStern]

I wouldnt do that...he was off-duty, I dont pay his salary when he's off-duty. He could set himself on fire for all I care.

 

[OoGoff]

Don't do paper work high, you keep forgetting what you're doing and its really annoying.

 

[Foxtrot]

I wouldnt do that...he was off-duty, I dont pay his salary when he's off-duty. He could set himself on fire for all I care.

You think a cop that doesn't obey they law can enforce it? Without being biased?

 

[Pogrom]

I wouldnt do that...he was off-duty, I dont pay his salary when he's off-duty. He could set himself on fire for all I care.

He may be smoking it while off duty, but he could still be affected by it when he comes on duty.

Do you really want your police force to be affected by drugs during the day-to-day fight against crime?

It may also be construed as promoting corruption. Suppose this police officer discovers a local drug dealer. He will possibly not bust the drug dealer, preferring instead to take a cut in exchange for protection.

That sort of thing happens the world over.

 

[CptStern]

oh I see...because cops are supposed to be uncoruptable

oh come on....do you never jaywalk? do you never spit on the ground? did you start drinking before the legal age? At one point it was illegal to be openly homosexual...should they have been thrown in jail for breaking the law? what someone does on their own time is none of my business...as long as that person doesnt harm anyone else I dont care

 

[CptStern]

He may be smoking it while off duty, but he could still be affected by it when he comes on duty.

Do you really want your police force to be affected by drugs during the day-to-day fight against crime?

It may also be construed as promoting corruption. Suppose this police officer discovers a local drug dealer. He will possibly not bust the drug dealer, preferring instead to take a cut in exchange for protection.

That sort of thing happens the world over.

oh come on...cops are not exactly saints, what makes you think they would even investigate...I am after all a civilian making a accusation on a poilice officer to another police officer...I'm sure they'll take my word over his. The protection scenario actually exists. Not too long ago the son of the former police chief was busted for corruption...along with the police union head

 

[Foxtrot]

oh come on....do you never jaywalk?

I never jaywalk

do you never spit on the ground?

I never spit on the ground, I have never seen a need to.

did you start drinking before the legal age?

No, and I plan to never drink.

 

[CptStern]

I never jaywalk

I never spit on the ground, I have never seen a need to.

No, and I plan to never drink.

my guess is that you are a teenager...I also said I wouldnt drink, smoke get married and have kids....I'm married, I have a son and I smoke...I drink sometimes too

 

[Pogrom]

oh come on...cops are not exactly saints, what makes you think they would even investigate...I am after all a civilian making a accusation on a poilice officer to another police officer...I'm sure they'll take my word over his. The protection scenario actually exists. Not too long ago the son of the former police chief was busted for corruption...along with the police union head

Well, I don't know what kind of police force exists in Canada, but in Australia a citizen has recourse to go to the Independant Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

There is periodically a scandal over police corruption, a huge investigation, a big cleanup, then a few years of all working well. That way we manage to keep the bastards honest

 

[Foxtrot]

I am 17, but I am opposed to drinking and smoking so I don't think I ever will.

 

[CptStern]

Well, I don't know what kind of police force exists in Canada, but in Australia a citizen has recourse to go to the Independant Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

There is periodically a scandal over police corruption, a huge investigation, a big cleanup, then a few years of all working well. That way we manage to keep the bastards honest

the police services review board is run by the police force

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

so answer my question...if I see someone jaywalking I should report them? how about the off-duty police officer?

Yes, by reporting that jaywalking, the police most likely will monitor the area for safety, and the county/parish will put more safe crosswalks in due to the problem.

It doesn't matter if it's a police officer off duty or a garbage man, you have an obligation to report it.

 

[CptStern]

I am 17, but I am opposed to drinking and smoking so I don't think I ever will.

you'll change your mind....you're 17...how can you say for certainity what you'll do for the next 60 years?

 

[Foxtrot]

the police services review board is run by the police force

But not the same police officer that you reported, so it doesn't matter if it is run by police officers, they will do their job the same if it wasn't run by police officers.

 

[Foxtrot]

you'll change your mind....you're 17...how can you say for certainity what you'll do for the next 60 years?

I can't but I haven't done any of that stuff yet so I don't see why I would in the future.

 

[CptStern]

Yes, by reporting that jaywalking, the police most likely will monitor the area for safety, and the county/parish will put more safe crosswalks in due to the problem.

It doesn't matter if it's a police officer off duty or a garbage man, you have an obligation to report it.

:rolling: man some of you live sheltered lives....if I called the police and told them I saw someone jaywalking they'd arrest me for wasting their time

I dont have an obligation to report it, it's none of my business..I dont report my neighbour who has an expired license sticker

...I dont think it should be illegal

 

[CptStern]

I can't but I haven't done any of that stuff yet so I don't see why I would in the future.

you may not have tried sex or escargots but that doesnt mean you'll never try it

 

[Pogrom]

the police services review board is run by the police force

Not in Australia it isn't.

Hence the title Independant Commission Against Corruption.

The only connection to the police is the Police Commissioner. And he better be doing his job, being a high-profile public servant. As a matter of fact, the police commissioner is always copping flack over how the police force performs.

 

[CptStern]

Not in Australia it isn't.

Hence the title Independant Commission Against Corruption.

The only connection to the police is the Police Commissioner. And he better be doing his job, being a high-profile public servant. As a matter of fact, the police commissioner is always copping flack over how the police force performs.

if only that were true here in canada...actually the police force are fighting a proposed bill that will make the police services board an independent body...but the police force will squash it just like they have everytime this issue comes up

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I dont have an obligation to report it, it's none of my business..I dont report my neighbour who has an expired license sticker

...I dont think it should be illegal

You do have an obligation as a citizen. If you report it and say "ARREST HGIM JAY WALKING!!!1one" they'll not care, if you calmly say people jaywalk there, they'll think about monitoring it.

And it doesn't matter if you don't think it should be illegal, you still have to follow the law. Until you successfully lobby the leaders to change it, in a republic, or vote on it in a democracy, you have to follow the rules.

 

[CptStern]

You do have an obligation as a citizen. If you report it and say "ARREST HGIM JAY WALKING!!!1one" they'll not care, if you calmly say people jaywalk there, they'll think about monitoring it.

And it doesn't matter if you don't think it should be illegal, you still have to follow the law. Until you successfully lobby the leaders to change it, in a republic, or vote on it in a democracy, you have to follow the rules.

simple possession is not illegal here...up to a certain weight

I am not obliged to report someone breaking the law...I am only obliged to not break it...by not reporting I am not breaking the law. Look if the police officer was beating a suspect or drinking on the job I'd report it...but I see people smoking all the time and it's no big deal...it's just a tired bit of legislation meant to placate the conservative types.


the real problem is that you are instilling your own morality into the issue. Americans have draconian anti-drug laws that is not shared with the rest of the world, I believe just because someone smokes pot doesnt mean he should be thrown in jail for 5 years

 

[Sprafa]

are you not cooperating with the criminal if you don't tell to the cops ?

 

[CptStern]

are you not cooperating with the criminal if you don't tell to the cops ?

no, you only are co operating if you are directly assisting the criminal

 

[pat_thetic]

I really don't see how legalizing marijuana won't reduce crime, people are arrested for possesing marijuana, if it is no longer illegal then they won't be arrested. Will it lead to harder drugs? I don't think so, when you smoke marijuana its not like people start saying "Oh man! Suddenly I have to start sniffing cocain!!". Its not like that at all, and yes, I smoked marijuana once 2 years ago and never felt the urge to try it again or try any harder drugs as a result of the marijuana or from "peer-pressure". The reason people often go from smoking marijuana to harder drugs is because of the atmosphere that they live in, the way society views people who smoke it, the kind of people that they smoke marijuana with. However if you make marijuana legal then I don't think anyone can deny that the kind of people who you are with, and the way society will view you will change. If that changes then why is it so hard to understand that maybe it will change so that people won't feel the desire to move on to harder drugs?

So if people don't move on to harder drugs then where is all of this extra crime going to come from?

First off, your first sentence is like saynig if you legalize murdering, there will be less crime, because murdering isn't a crime anymore. So... ya, that's a mut point.And the argument that marijuana leads to other drugs is not that you will have to take other drugs... That's really ignorant... They say that if you are at say, a party, and someone offers you some cocaine or another hard drug, since you have been taking pot a lot, you would be a little more brave to take something a little harder. Not many people at all start on herione or cocaine.... Back to reading the rest of the thread...

 

[CptStern]

First off, your first sentence is like saynig if you legalize murdering, there will be less crime, because murdering isn't a crime anymore. So... ya, that's a mut point.And the argument that marijuana leads to other drugs is not that you will have to take other drugs... That's really ignorant... They say that if you are at say, a party, and someone offers you some cocaine or another hard drug, since you have been taking pot a lot, you would be a little more brave to take something a little harder. Not many people at all start on herione or cocaine.... Back to reading the rest of the thread...

I've been smoking for years and I've never tried either...not even tempted

 

[Bad^Hat]

Oh and never mix the two, stomach just doesnt like it

I know :x

I have seen the bad side of both drugs, and I hate being around pissed mates with a passion, seeing as how I can't stand booze (I've been drunk, I don't see the big deal). Anyway the point being every person I've seen who abused alcohol or drugs was an idiot, including myself. Maybe they still are, I still love them just the same but by god talk about moment of weakness.

 

[Bad^Hat]

You do have an obligation as a citizen. If you report it and say "ARREST HGIM JAY WALKING!!!1one" they'll not care, if you calmly say people jaywalk there, they'll think about monitoring it.

And it doesn't matter if you don't think it should be illegal, you still have to follow the law. Until you successfully lobby the leaders to change it, in a republic, or vote on it in a democracy, you have to follow the rules.

Hahahaha, that's classic, thanks for giving me a chuckle. To be honest I can't deny the fact that marijuana leads to trouble, my point is SO DOES BEING A ****ING MORON

Where I live, in New Zealand, the Green party have been lobbying to have cannabis legalised for yonks, and right now I think they're closer than ever. The laws are starting to slip and more and more people are realising they're just tired and useless. I know plenty of people on the police force think the laws are bullshit, and a waste of time for them (I'm talking about basic posession here).

Point I try to make in every cannabis thread that rears it's ugly head out of the abbys - I've been around pot all my life, and I've seen it abused, and I've seen how it can be used maturely and in moderation with no ill effects. The thing I keep seeing with people who abuse it is they already had problems. They use it as an escape, but they go too far. Marijuana is all about escaping, for just a moment, but when you end up in the hospital having your stomach pumped... well you get where I'm going with this. Some of the nicest people I know are regular users, and to be honest they're alot more laid back and open minded than alot of people I know. Albeit, many of them are lazy hippies But, if I may quote Bill Hicks again -

"They say marijuana makes you unmotivated, LIES. When you're high you can do everything you do normally just as well, you just realise it's not worth the effort. There is a difference."

 

[pat_thetic]

I've been smoking for years and I've never tried either...not even tempted

Has anyone ever tried to give you some?

 

[CptStern]

nobody gives away something that costs $100 a gram

 

[Foxtrot]

nobody gives away something that costs $100 a gram

My friends friend is going to give them some cocain to try.

 

[The Mullinator]

I have heard of plenty of people getting started right on cocain before ever taking marijuana. Besides if pot was legalized then wouldn't people be getting it from the government, in which case they would probably never even really talk that much to anyone that would try to get them hooked on harder drugs.

 

[pat_thetic]

nobody gives away something that costs $100 a gram

Um, then how do people start?

 

[CptStern]

Um, then how do people start?

I dont touch the stuff so i dont know

 

[AmishSlayer]

Um, then how do people start?

I knew a kid once (a kid I talked to in one of my classes in high school) that was a dealer. He'd smoke people up for free and then they'd come back to him when they wanted to buy stuff. My guess is that's how it works most of the time.

I haven't had a chance to run into other dealers and ask them

 

[pat_thetic]

My friend told me there was a dealer that need like another "distributor" or whatever... The dealer got 13 year old to help him. He told the kid he had to have a gun..... Pretty sick. Today's youth is so corrupt.

 

[Raziaar]

Yeah, today's youth is being led down a dark path. It's surprising how many young women in today's school whore themselves out to the boys and other girls, do drugs, etc.

 

[Bad^Hat]

My friend told me there was a dealer that need like another "distributor" or whatever... The dealer got 13 year old to help him. He told the kid he had to have a gun..... Pretty sick. Today's youth is so corrupt.

Needed moneys for his new gouchi bag. ****ing kids.

 

[Neutrino]

Yeah, today's youth is being led down a dark path. It's surprising how many young women in today's school whore themselves out to the boys and other girls, do drugs, etc.

Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; and the end of the world is evidently approaching.

--Assyrian clay tablet 2800 B.C.