New poll reveals 52% americans favour military strikes on Iran

hydrometeor said:
The U.N. charter is not a law, silly. The United States is a sovereign state, meaning that no laws are above its own.
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Arrogence TO THE MAX.

Christ, I don't know if I have ever heard anything so stupid or big headed in my whole time here.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
Arrogence TO THE MAX.

Christ, I don't know if I have ever heard anything so stupid or big headed in my whole time here.
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You can call it what you want, but it's true. The United Nations is not a government. The only laws by which the U.S. is legally bound are prescribed by its Constitution.
 
hydrometeor said:
You can call it what you want, but it's true. The United Nations is not a government. The only laws by which the U.S. is legally bound are prescribed by its Constitution.
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Most countries have the decency to abide by the UN guidelines.
 
hydrometeor said:
You can call it what you want, but it's true. The United Nations is not a government. The only laws by which the U.S. is legally bound are prescribed by its Constitution.
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I meant the part about
meaning that no laws are above its own.
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Yes, because the USA is more important than everyone else.
 
Regardless of the moral nature of such sentiments, he is correct. The only laws that govern the United States are its own. The UN is not a one-world government, and its members are worth only as much as they volunteer.
 
Atomic_Piggy said:
I meant the part about

Yes, because the USA is more important than everyone else.
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Wrong. It's because the USA is a sovereign state. As a counter-example, Vermont is not a sovereign state. Portugal is one. Wales isn't. Get it?

This all leads us to the conclusion that a preemptive strike by the USA is not illegal.
 
hydrometeor said:
Wrong. It's because the USA is a sovereign state. As a counter-example, Vermont is not a sovereign state. Portugal is one. Wales isn't. Get it?

This all leads us to the conclusion that a preemptive strike by the USA is not illegal.
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# All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter#Chapter_1.2C_Article_2_of_the_UN_Charter_states:

Article 2, Section 4 of the U.N. Charter .. It bars the threat or use of force against any state in the absence of an acute and imminent actual threat.
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but you are correct in your nitpicking that the US is a sovereign state and no law can supercede their authroity ..however at the time the US followed the charters stance that preemptive strike was legal if there was a clear and imediate danger Bush later changed it to be far more reaching thereby making their illegal invasion of iraq legal .. but it does nothing to take away the fact that it is illegal under international law ..why else would the US use the justification of saddam's mysteriously absent wmd program if the UN charter didnt apply? I mean why waste all those months going through UN channels if international law didnt apply?
 
hydrometeor said:
Wrong. It's because the USA is a sovereign state. As a counter-example, Vermont is not a sovereign state. Portugal is one. Wales isn't. Get it?

This all leads us to the conclusion that a preemptive strike by the USA is not illegal.
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Yeah, I get it now.
 
How media manipulate public's mind with fake poll. If they want war, they say 52% support it. When an unfavorite candidate getting popular, they say he has only 4.7%.

Republican Presidential Nomination
Polling Data
RCP Average 11/01 - 11/14

Giuliani 29.1%
Thompson 15.5%
McCain 13.8%
Romney 12.5%
Huckabee 8.9%
Paul 4.7%
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The vivid sample how Feds manipulate media to cheat public. When they can still put Paul at 4.7%.

The Feds could create a false flag attack such like 911. That's how they could rig a election to select their puppet Bush as president.

Media propaganda covers up 911 plot and led US into unjust war. It also justify a rigged election by fake poll.

This poll is a vivid sample of how media direct public's mind with pre-concept psychological operation. Because they won't allow an anti-war candidate to win a campaign.
 
Bomb bomb Iran. And Saudi Arabia while we're at it.

I will enlist on the next war. Life is getting meaningless, people don't value freedom and instead, bag on God and country.

In ancient chinese proverb those people are called "Eat too full"
 
Meh, I'm one of them. Don't call me a Bush supporter though, Cause I hop that guy gets shot.

Iran wants nukes and says they'll use them. End of story, kill their leader. Most of their populace hates the Iranian gov anyhow.

No wait, don't invade. Kill their leader and you save yourself a war.

fatchance said:
Bomb bomb Iran. And Saudi Arabia while we're at it.

I will enlist on the next war. Life is getting meaningless, people don't value freedom and instead, bag on God and country.

In ancient chinese proverb those people are called "Eat too full"
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And what is this? Saudi Arabia would love nothing more then to see Iran go down. Don't bomb them, ally with them.
 
kathaksung said:
The vivid sample how Feds manipulate media to cheat public. When they can still put Paul at 4.7%.

The Feds could create a false flag attack such like 911. That's how they could rig a election to select their puppet Bush as president.

Media propaganda covers up 911 plot and led US into unjust war. It also justify a rigged election by fake poll.

This poll is a vivid sample of how media direct public's mind with pre-concept psychological operation. Because they won't allow an anti-war candidate to win a campaign.
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TIN HATS!

Nah, really. WTF is with Ron Paul? He should be at 50% or something! everyone loves him and he gets mad amount of money. Something is seriously out of wack.
 
Kathaksung reminds of the hacker from Die Hard 4.

"The media wants to keep you living in fear..."
 
He reminds me of Bruce Willis. In that scene on Die Hard 3 where he walks into Harlem with a sign saying how he hates black people.
But he claims the government made him do it.
 
Oh, Kathaksung, lead me to salvation! Preach MOAR of how the government is lying to us! :|
 
Iran wants to become a nuclear power, ****-a-doodle-doo. Let them do it all I care, its not like they can do anything with that power
 
Epic Intelligent Thought /\


If Iran uses nukes, they'll have nuclear fallacio with Europe and Butsecks with Russia and China

NOT SO EPIC OFFENSIVE COMMENT :(
 
Emporius said:
Now of only America could find Iran on a map...
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I guess we could just keep lobbing nukes over that way and I'm sure one of 'em will hit. Why do it the right way when you could do it the american way?
 
Most Americans can spot Iran on a map. I'm highly suspicious of those demographics.

Iran is right in between Iraq and Afghanistan (of coarse, if those Demographics are correct, they might then think that Mongolia is Iran, as Russia would be Iraq and China Afghanistan.)
 
Nuke eveyone. That'll solve all the problems.

Except Earth, which will be devastated.
 
PortalStormzzzz said:
TIN HATS!

Nah, really. WTF is with Ron Paul? He should be at 50% or something! everyone loves him and he gets mad amount of money. Something is seriously out of wack.
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How ruling class control your mind by fake poll.
Republican Presidential Nomination
Polling Data
RCP Average 11/01 - 11/14

Giuliani 29.1%
Thompson 15.5%
McCain 13.8%
Romney 12.5%
Huckabee 8.9%
Paul 4.7%
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The vivid sample how Feds manipulate media to cheat public. When they can still put Paul at 4.7% in a fake poll.

The Feds could create a false flag attack such like 911. That's how they could rig a election to select their puppet Bush as president.

Media propaganda covers up 911 plot and led US into unjust war. It also justify a rigged election by fake poll. That's how Bush could be president for twice.

This poll is a vivid sample of how media direct public's mind with pre-concept psychological operation. Because they won't allow an anti-war candidate to win a campaign.

They can manipulate a randon number of 4.7% on Ron Paul but they can't manipulate the money amount. Ron Paul got most donation from military contributions

Quote, "Ron Paul leads ALL presidential candidates in monetary military contributions

Percentages**:

49.5% Ron Paul
34.6% McCain
7.0% Romney
4.6% Giuliani
2.0% Hunter
2.3% Others

<http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/>.

In addition to military support, Ron Paul also sets one-day GOP fundraising record. He hauled in more than 4.2 million on 11/5. That money came from grassroot voters, how many votes does it mean? Yet, the media always put him at the lowest poll number. Do you recognize how this country is manipulated?
 
I'd like to see their polling sources / sampling. I don't know anyone in favor of this.
 
Well, all the other candidates are simply stupid and controlled by other sources. Their puppets.
 
Their is a correctly spelled word, you just used it in the wrong context, where it should have been they're. Firefox did not fail, you did.
 
I thought he was using 'their' to refer to the 'other sources'.

ie "other sources use them as their puppets."
 
When the poll result is not to the favor of the host. They simply cancel it. That's why Official poll used to put Ron Paul at the lowest. TV news used to focus on Rody and Romney but neglect Paul.

Quote, "SF Republican Establishment vs. Ron Paul
Posted by Lew Rockwell at December 5, 2007 08:21 AM

An on-scene report from Jerry Cullen: "The San Francisco Republican Alliance headed by Gail Neira held their pre election banquet at the Holiday Inn at Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco last evening, December 4th, 2007. The gathering was advertised as a gala affair of loyal Republicans to be followed by a straw poll to select the favorite Presidential Candidate. The featured speaker was Republican State Senator Sam Aanesta (CA 4th SD). The Senator treated the audience to an hour long election pitch for Fred Thompson that cured the insomnia of all in attendance. After endless delays of meaningless trivia the doors were opened to the late comers to the straw poll each of whom had paid $5 for admission. The flood of Ron Paul supporters entered the room to join an already substantial number of Ron Paul supporters that had attended the 'banquet'.

"A shocked Gail Neira in consultation with the Fred Thompson Northern CA Coordinator cancelled the straw poll vote offering a series of fraudulent, incomprehensible and incoherent reasons. The result was chaos as more than one hundred Ron Paul supporters objected to the outright deception. Neira’s ratings reached a level of unreality beyond description. Security was called to evict the peaceful if upset Ron Paul followers. When I asked that a picture be taken to attest to security attacking the 79-year-old man, security turned and disappeared.

"The San Francisco Republican Party has not seen energy and enthusiasm like that displayed by the Ron Paul supporters in many years, if ever. Yet instead of opening their arms to this wonderful opportunity to rebuild a failed organization with an army of young, vibrant and intelligent supporters. the San Francisco Republican Party pretends that all is well. Their attitude can best be exemplified by the passive presence of a Vice Chair of the SF Republican Party Central Committee who witnessed the entire event at the Holiday Inn in silence. Amazing!

"It is clear that Ron Paul’s message has achieved momentum and attracted substantial funds. Message, Money and Momentum are a powerful political force. The Ron Paul revolution is alive and well. No wonder that the opposition will resort to disgraceful tactics to stop the express."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_GADQv3vKs
 
I kind of wonder if CptStern has actually ever played Half Life 2.
 
Mainstream media (12/19/07)

Mainstream media, is a mind control tool works for the ruling class. They report news favored by ruling class and censor the news they disliked. Thus pour the unilateral information into your brain.

I read San Jose Mercury News Because it is the only "mainstream News" in the area. I have no choice. It reports a lot of news about Rody, Bush, Romney but rarely about Ron Paul. What I got about Ron Paul was a poll of GOP's candidates which put him at the lowest position - 4.7%. (in November)

Thanks to Internet, where I learned Ron Paul is a popular candidate. Different from other GOP nominates, he is anti-war and call for "take back America" by re-taking citizen's Constitutional right. This is accordance with the public opinion. Even media admits that most Americans are anti-war and disagree with Bush's policy. It may reflict at the fact that Ron Paul got the most campaign fund from military contribution and sets one-day GOP fundraising record. By common sense, he should be a leading candidate in GOP. Yet, he remains as the lowest in mainstream media. There is little words about Paul's opinion. If depends on Mercury News, I would know nothing about Paul except that "he is the most unpopular candidate in GOP."

On 12/4, San Francisco Republican held a straw poll meeting in Holiday Inn. Out of their expectation, a lot of supporters of Ron Paul attended the meeting. Obviously that was not the result the host wished to see. They canceled the vote. Of course the media kept silence on the news of aborted straw poll meeting.

On 12/11, Mercury News reported Giuliani had a campaign dinner on 12/10 in San Francisco. In an article extended to two pages, the paper reported Rudy's political opinion with the title "Giuliani tells S.F. supporters he's the Republican who can win state."

This is how the ruling class manipulate this country. They censor the information of real popular candidates and poured the news into your mind which they want you to know. They fake the poll to justify a rigged election. That's how Bush could be selected twice as president and guided US to unjust war.
 
Negative campaign fund planting (12/28/07)

"Ron Paul To Keep White Supremacist Donation". A recent popular article about Ron Paul's campaign fund.

People are too innocent not to recognize it's another dirty trick of election. Feds used to plant negative contribution to candidate so they have an issue to attack these candidates.

The similar way they do to Clinton by Norman Hsu's contribution.

GOP is skilled in those dirty tricks. You also saw Swift Boat Team attack on Kerry in 2004's election.

Ron Paul is a disfavor of ruling class. So once again, FBI plays trick to tarnish the most hopeful candidate. The two most fearsome rival for GOP are: Ron Paul (Repblican) and Hillary (Demo). So the attack concentrate on them.

Who control those organization: Communist Party; supremacist; peace movement; even ACLU and other groups? FBI.

Quote, "FBI Ran Aryan Nations After Butler's Death
Federal Informant Rick Spring, Close Associate Of NSM / Schoep, Admits He Was On Federal Payroll

9/19/2007 4:09:21 PM
Discuss this story in the forum <http://www.answp.com/forum>
Overthrow Staff

-- In a confessional emailed out to white nationalist leaders, federal informant and convicted bank robber Rick Spring admitted today that he operated the Aryan Nations as a false flag front group for the FBI after the death of Richard Butler.

"I have to bare my heart and soul to the good folks of the movement, although this is hard for me to say, I must tell the truth. I Rick Spring have been working for the FED's for some time now and I am sorry," Spring wrote in an email today.

<http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10582>

Now you know why supremacist donate to Ron Paul's campaign? And why some one cooks this issue hot? It may all be done by the same hand.
 
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