"One State, Under God"

[Absinthe]

That may be, but that is the America most people have come to know today. Revisionism or not, there are a lot of things that have been decorated to look more appealing than they actually are. For the second time this week, I'm reminded of a cartoon, The Simpsons: They discover that the glorious history of their town is actually rooted in something much, much more sinister, and when confronted with the choice to tell people the truth, Lisa refuses. The reason: A celebrated myth or legend can have just as much positive influence as the even deeper-rooted truth. The sentence you asked about: "One State, Under God" as added to the pledge.

What a wonderful story. Now tell me what that has to do with the real world?

What is this sinister past that Christianity needs to cover up to make people feel happy? For how much longer does stem cell research need to endure obstruction and leave people ill and dying to appease a magic sky entity? How many more children need to be labelled and pressured into religions not of their own choosing? How much longer are we going to teach people to be retarded by pressing crap like Intelligent Design into education systems? How much more money needs to be wasted on faith-based initiatives? How much more time and energy needs to be exhausted just so people can continue to live in their deranged little fantasies?

How many more war plans whispered into the president's ear from God do we need to go through until people wake up and realize what a crock of shit this is? And if the words "Under God" aren't such a big deal, then why not just remove them? They certainly weren't there in the first place.

The Christian presence in American policy both foreign and domestic is discriminatory, baseless, dangerous, and totally inefficient at doing anything. It completely hamstrings progress on any front. How the hell can anybody just shrug their shoulders, especially when they recognize that they're being lied to about the founding of the United States? Having the 10 Commandments propped up on government property and putting in "God We Trust" on dollar bills isn't the problem. It's a reflection of the problem. And you and others need to stop appeasing Christian myths.

By the way, are you telling me what my relationship with God is? That's a little over the top, don't you think?

Fence sitters don't believe in a god. Just grow some balls and admit it.

 

[Cole]

But anyway, I don't have anything against people becoming more religious. As long as it doesn't cross the line of accepted behavior, their beliefs are their own and if it contributes positively to themselves as people and fills their life with more content, I don't see any harm.

Go watch Jesus Camp.

The fact is that we are becoming a more religious nation and thats exactly why I will be moving to europe(not sure where yet) once i'm older. America needs to improve it's views with european countries. Adding religion into government wont do that.

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, Cole, while you will indeed find liberals here too, it's just as divided politically as America is. The hatred for America is just what binds these different brands of socialism together.

Absinthe, I wasn't implying that America had a sinister past that needed to be covered up by something else. I'm just saying that this is the way the country has evolved, and it's foolish to deny that. Some people, weak or strong, need something to lean against at times of need, and that's where a religious community can be a good support. It certainly would help me to have a little voice in the back my mind telling me that all of this happens for a reason, but I don't.

The way I see it, what you seem to be hinting at is that the problem is not that it's been added, but that America's musical and spoken history is so influenced by the Christian mentality. But you know, Christianity has helped America through a lot. For example, I don't think America would have the unity it does today, and I don't think the black man would find the will to unite with his fellow Africans had they not been converted to Christianity. As wrong as it may seem to convert someone just because they're not Christian, the Christian mentality has changed a lot of things for the better and it's not something you should just throw away because you don't believe in God, because that's not what Christianity is about anymore.

 

[dream431ca]

you could always move to canada...or mexico, which ever you find more appealling

 

[Candy art]

Oh, just shut the **** up.

Yeah, people who fight for civil liberties. What assholes. :dozey:

I think you should shut the **** up.
ACLU supports NAMBLA,that makes them morons.

 

[Absinthe]

Absinthe, I wasn't implying that America had a sinister past that needed to be covered up by something else. I'm just saying that this is the way the country has evolved, and it's foolish to deny that. Some people, weak or strong, need something to lean against at times of need, and that's where a religious community can be a good support. It certainly would help me to have a little voice in the back my mind telling me that all of this happens for a reason, but I don't.

That is little more than wishful thinking. I'd feel a lot better if I believed I had a million dollars, but I don't. That's just a shaky mental crutch. You want good support? Seek therapy. Get friends. Meditate. Don't delude yourself.
The difference between believing I've won the lottery and believing in the Christian god, is that the former one is a danger only to myself. Religious faith, no matter how supportive it may be, still comes with strings attached. I shouldn't have to state the obvious and say that they are deplorable and should be considered totally unacceptable in the civilized world. It's not enough that one believes in God. One must also be against abortion. One needs to impede condom use and sex education. One needs to be supportive of discrimination against gays. This isn't fringe shit, Nemesis. This is a very active and mainstream brand of Christianity that dominates American politics.
If you want to believe in god, don't bring the rest of us down with you. This indeed the way the country has evolved, and we have every reason to progress towards secularism instead of embracing ancient belief systems constructed by people far dumber than us.

The way I see it, what you seem to be hinting at is that the problem is not that it's been added, but that America's musical and spoken history is so influenced by the Christian mentality. But you know, Christianity has helped America through a lot. For example, I don't think America would have the unity it does today, and I don't think the black man would find the will to unite with his fellow Africans had they not been converted to Christianity. As wrong as it may seem to convert someone just because they're not Christian, the Christian mentality has changed a lot of things for the better and it's not something you should just throw away because you don't believe in God, because that's not what Christianity is about anymore.

What Christianity is about today is far removed from its roots. It's wrong to even call it Christianity. You might as well consider it an extremely loose adaptation of Jesus' mumblings.

How has Christianity helped America? Assuming there are instances of good, they inevitably have to come with a trade-off elsewhere. I can tell you right now that there was nothing in Christianity that made blacks get along with whites. The Bible condones slavery and nothing in the New Testament abolishes it. Martin Luther King, a Christian, admitted that he derived his ideas from Gandhi.
But I digress. Christianity shouldn't be required to bring people together, nor should any other religion. It should be enough that we're all human beings. People should be embracing secular humanism. At least that has a grounding in practical reality and doesn't require belief in a dozen other absurd ideas. And even if religion did play a positive role in the development of the human species or just the United States specifically, that doesn't mean it isn't harmful today in a post-enlightenment world. Religion has run its due course and it offers nothing of value now except a cheap excuse for dodging reality and maintaining an ignorant comfort zone.

 

[Absinthe]

I think you should shut the **** up.
ACLU supports NAMBLA,that makes them morons.

ACLU supported their freedom of speech. Big difference.

People like to rag on the ACLU when they don't even know what their talking about, like yourself.

NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html

Wow! I guess that means you need to sit your ignorant ass down and keep quiet before you decide to open your mouth next time!

It's amazing how the ACLU - the supposed anti-Christian organization intent on destroying religion and disseminating godless anarchy - has also represented fundamentalist churches and groups!

I guess the only possible conclusion we can reach is this:
You all need to wake the **** up and lay off the juice.

 

[Candy art]

Im Atheist,I could care less about Churches and stuff.
They did represent Nambla,and don't come to me witht that freedom of speech BS,freedom of speech ends as soon as pull crap like those sick twisted pedos do.Also it seems you never heard of conspiracy to commit a crime.


Pedos have no rights btw,or atleast they shouldn't have.

 

[Absinthe]

You need to familiarize yourself with the concept of freedom of speech. Half the users of the internet would be arrested for pedo jokes if your idea was ever put into law.

In any case, your original argument against the ACLU was erroneous. The ACLU did no support sexual relations with children. They supported NAMBLA's right to speak, in all its vile and sick flavor. Life isn't a bed of roses. You will have to get used to hearing and dealing with things that shock and offend you.

 

[Candy art]

its one to post a pic of pedo bear,it's another thing to talk about how to get know young boys/girls and to do stuff to them,things that just barely slip by laws,like hugging and shit......funny that we are talking about this while this one sicko was on the news about his "pedo tips" website.
BTW,no hard feelings...I take the f word back ^_^

 

[Gray Fox]

its one to post a pic of pedo bear,it's another thing to talk about how to get know young boys/girls and to do stuff to them,things that just barely slip by laws,like hugging and shit......funny that we are talking about this while this one sicko was on the news about his "pedo tips" website.
BTW,no hard feelings...I take the f word back ^_^

You can also talk freely about how you want to kill someone, and all other illegal stuff, as long as you do not do it. Heck you can even make movies in which people kill other people. Don't you care about that? I mean these Hollywood fellows, they are killers, they are poisoning our minds, those sick twisted bastards.

 

[Candy art]

again...conspiracy to commit a crime.learn a little about the US criminal law and procedures....it's not the same as in Holland.

 

[Absinthe]

Let's just be clear here.

NAMBLA is/was a despicable organization. I use "was" because as far as I can tell, it's pretty much dissolved. But the Constitution protects the ability to express ideas and opinions, and that includes those that are disgusting and/or unpopular.
If there was no such thing as offensive speech, there wouldn't be a need for the First Amendment. And to NAMBLA's credit (do not consider this in any way a defense of them or their ideas), the organization's intent and purpose was the advocacy of policy change. It didn't have "Do-It-Yourself" guides to child molestation or list hot locations for picking up underage children. That doesn't keep its members, however, from taking part in such activities themselves.

 

[theotherguy]

Im Atheist,I could care less about Churches and stuff.
They did represent Nambla,and don't come to me witht that freedom of speech BS,freedom of speech ends as soon as pull crap like those sick twisted pedos do.Also it seems you never heard of conspiracy to commit a crime.


Pedos have no rights btw,or atleast they shouldn't have.

On the contrary, I think pedophiles simply have psychological problems that must be rehabilitated.(I even think some genetic factors might be at play) I have much more respect for a pedophile than a serial killer or even parents who beat their children. I think that this country has gone far too hysterical over pedophilia that it borders on a witch-hunt. Yes it is a terrible thing for someone to prey on children, but I think its going entirely too far to say that they "shouldn't have" rights.

You must rehabilitate them, discover the causes of the disorder and if rehabilitation is not possible throw them in prison. No cruel and unusual punishment, none of this eye gouging buisness or putting signs in their front yard, simply fine them, and put them in prison or a mental institution.

 

[Candy art]

^hippie much?

 

[Sebastian]

On the contrary, I think pedophiles simply have psychological problems that must be rehabilitated.(I even think some genetic factors might be at play) I have much more respect for a pedophile than a serial killer or even parents who beat their children. I think that this country has gone far too hysterical over pedophilia that it borders on a witch-hunt. Yes it is a terrible thing for someone to prey on children, but I think its going entirely too far to say that they "shouldn't have" rights.

You must rehabilitate them, discover the causes of the disorder and if rehabilitation is not possible throw them in prison. No cruel and unusual punishment, none of this eye gouging buisness or putting signs in their front yard, simply fine them, and put them in prison or a mental institution.

Pedos should be put to death.

 

[dream431ca]

That is little more than wishful thinking. I'd feel a lot better if I believed I had a million dollars, but I don't. That's just a shaky mental crutch. You want good support? Seek therapy. Get friends. Meditate. Don't delude yourself.
The difference between believing I've won the lottery and believing in the Christian god, is that the former one is a danger only to myself. Religious faith, no matter how supportive it may be, still comes with strings attached. I shouldn't have to state the obvious and say that they are deplorable and should be considered totally unacceptable in the civilized world. It's not enough that one believes in God. One must also be against abortion. One needs to impede condom use and sex education. One needs to be supportive of discrimination against gays. This isn't fringe shit, Nemesis. This is a very active and mainstream brand of Christianity that dominates American politics.
If you want to believe in god, don't bring the rest of us down with you. This indeed the way the country has evolved, and we have every reason to progress towards secularism instead of embracing ancient belief systems constructed by people far dumber than us.

Now there's one way to tell that you absolutly have no idea what lies beyond your own country's boarders. I like your arrogance..keep it up. I also like how you portray a fictional version of "Christian rules and regulations". How you have to be against abortion, against condoms and all these things. You make it sound like a religion is like reading a book, when it's really about yourself. Stop tredging in places that you don't know about. I'm not a religous person myself, but everyone has a right to believe in what they want to believe in, just shut up about it and nobody gets hurt.

 

[Xiphos]

On the contrary, I think pedophiles simply have psychological problems that must be rehabilitated.(I even think some genetic factors might be at play) I have much more respect for a pedophile than a serial killer or even parents who beat their children. I think that this country has gone far too hysterical over pedophilia that it borders on a witch-hunt. Yes it is a terrible thing for someone to prey on children, but I think its going entirely too far to say that they "shouldn't have" rights.

You must rehabilitate them, discover the causes of the disorder and if rehabilitation is not possible throw them in prison. No cruel and unusual punishment, none of this eye gouging buisness or putting signs in their front yard, simply fine them, and put them in prison or a mental institution.

yea but you could say exactly the same thing about serial killers or abusive parents....

 

[Absinthe]

Now there's one way to tell that you absolutly have no idea what lies beyond your own country's boarders. I like your arrogance..keep it up.

I'm not talking about geopolitcs today. I'm talking about people from thousands of years ago. The same people that believed the Earth was the center of the universe, the world was flat, and killed each other incessantly over deities we currently treat as fiction.

"Dumb" was the wrong word to use, I admit. But the bottom line is that while we have far surpassed them in terms of technology and understanding of the world, we still hold onto this absurd idea that somehow they had the right answers when it came to god and the universe. That is so intellectually bankrupt that it amazes me that people who believe it don't have black holes forming in their cerebral cortexes.

I also like how you portray a fictional version of "Christian rules and regulations". How you have to be against abortion, against condoms and all these things. You make it sound like a religion is like reading a book, when it's really about yourself. Stop tredging in places that you don't know about. I'm not a religous person myself, but everyone has a right to believe in what they want to believe in, just shut up about it and nobody gets hurt.

As somebody who was raised as a Christian, read the Bible, and has devoted a fair bit of my own personal time in reading about religion and its role in the world, you'll have to pardon me as I believe I'm somewhat qualified to say the following:

You're wrong.

If my "version" of Christianity is fictional, then explain how. God doesn't want you to have sex before marriage. It only logically follows that Christians should treat condom use and abortion as sinful. You are supposed to oppose homosexuality because the Bible explicitly condemns it under no uncertain terms. Don't believe me? Look through it yourself before you begin trying to critique my understanding of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying religion is about yourself. Sounds like a typical vague platitude, to be honest. It's this same kind of "I'm a Christian, but I don't pay attention to Deuteronomy" moderation bullshit where you fail both at making sense as well as being a Christian.

People are indeed entitled to believe what they want to believe, and that doesn't make certain beliefs any less irrational or unreasonable. But you don't seem to understand that beliefs are most often potential actions. So if you believe that killing fetuses is sinful, you will vote accordingly a representative that will make sure that life-saving medical science is stopped dead in its tracks and made illegal. If you believe homosexuality is sinful, you will do your best to make sure gays can't get married. If you believe Jesus told you to invade the Middle East... well, you get the picture.

Religion is only considered sacred because of longstanding tradition. There is not one single logical reason for it to be exempt from criticism and outright ridicule, other than seriously misguided notions of politeness (like yours). We do this in every other aspect of our life, but we erect a barrier when it comes to faith. That is an absolute disservice to rational thought and social progress. We should make every concerted effort to face the truth and call a spade a spade: religion is nonsense, and it is of more harm than good. People get hurt because they shut up about it.

 

[repiV]

On the contrary, I think pedophiles simply have psychological problems that must be rehabilitated.(I even think some genetic factors might be at play) I have much more respect for a pedophile than a serial killer or even parents who beat their children. I think that this country has gone far too hysterical over pedophilia that it borders on a witch-hunt. Yes it is a terrible thing for someone to prey on children, but I think its going entirely too far to say that they "shouldn't have" rights.

You must rehabilitate them, discover the causes of the disorder and if rehabilitation is not possible throw them in prison. No cruel and unusual punishment, none of this eye gouging buisness or putting signs in their front yard, simply fine them, and put them in prison or a mental institution.

You can't rehabilitate a pedophile.
I grow tired of your endless limp-wristed ideas...

I have the urge to kill the little shits that play on my property, climb on my dad's mobility scooter as he's riding it and taunt my autistic younger brother, but somehow I manage to restrain myself. Tell me, can I at least break their arms without going to jail?
The sick **** who preys on innocent kids, however, should be given a free pass?

 

[ríomhaire]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pedophile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

Pedophilia, paedophilia or p?dophilia (see spelling differences) is the paraphilia of being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children. A person with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile.

an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

n. An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.

an adult who is sexually attracted to children

A pedophile is a person who is, more than likly through no choice of their own, sexually attacted to children NOT someone who activly preys on children.

 

[repiV]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pedophile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile





A pedophile is a person who is, more than likly through no choice of their own, sexually attacted to children NOT someone who activly preys on children.

Last time I checked, we didn't imprison people who are passively attracted to children. What's your point?

 

[ríomhaire]

Last time I checked, we didn't imprison people who are passively attracted to children. What's your point?

My point is that you're using the word pedophile inncorrectly and labelling people that have something wrong with them, by no fault of their own, monsters.

 

[repiV]

My point is that you're using the word pedophile inncorrectly and labelling people that have something wrong with them, by no fault of their own, monsters.

Who cares?
The commonly understood definition of "pedophile" is someone who sexually abuses children. I really couldn't give two shits if I offend some twat who wanks off to the fantasy of riding a seven year old.

 

[ríomhaire]

Who cares?
The commonly understood definition of "pedophile" is someone who sexually abuses children.

Well it's a wrong defenition. Please try not to support ignorance by using it to mean that.

 

[repiV]

Well it's a wrong defenition. Please try not to support ignorance by using it to mean that.

It's not ignorance, it's a lack of pedantry. The dictionary definition is irrelevant, communicating clearly and concisely is what counts.

 

[Absinthe]

It's not ignorance, it's a lack of pedantry. The dictionary definition is irrelevant, communicating clearly and concisely is what counts.

...Isn't that exactly what's been happening in the last few posts?

 

[repiV]

I'm confused - you were probably trying to be sarcastic but it got lost in text-translation...

 

[Absinthe]

No, it's not sarcasm.

Actually, looking back on my post, it doesn't make any sense. So to clarify: I would think that pay attention to definitions and correct terminology would be a requirement for "communicating clearly and concisely".

So when people say "execute pedophiles", there's no differentiation between passive lust and actually acting on it.

 

[Vigilante]

Why doesn't Texas declare independence from the United States?

They actually tried to way back when, but I don't remember what happened.

 

[repiV]

No, it's not sarcasm.

Actually, looking back on my post, it doesn't make any sense. So to clarify: I would think that pay attention to definitions and correct terminology would be a requirement for "communicating clearly and concisely".

So when people say "execute pedophiles", there's no differentiation between passive lust and actually acting on it.

I just can't stand pedantry. Everyone except riomhaire knows what you mean when you use the term "pedophile". And common usage eventually dictates correct terminology anyway.

 

[Taboo]

They actually tried to way back when, but I don't remember what happened.

Fail. = part of US of A.

Along with all of the other confederate states after the civil war...

 

[Jerry_111]

religion is stupid lol

 

[Walter]

Because I can easily see this country becoming more and more religious as time has passed. While I look over in europe and I see religion very slowly fading. Most of the world hates America right now, including many european countries. The worst thing we could possibly do is become more of a christian nation. European countries will look at us like we are nuts and middle eastern countries will only hate us more. We are basically telling the world to **** off and that we are going to do our own thing while still interfering with all there affairs.

I mean our own president said god spoke to him and told him to attack afghanistan. I'm sorry but America was founded on seperation of chruch and state NOT GOD.

...What? What part of Europe do you mean? If there's anything i'd hate America for, it would be their disrespect for the world's stability and hatred towards competitors both in politics and business, but certainly not for religion. And you blame God for the words of a satanistic cultist that never really knew a damn about Him yet blamed God as an excuse to kill 700 000 Iraqi's for oil?! Where has God told anyone to kill people for no reason whatsoever? Go on, start showing me where He commanded Jericho to be burned, or any other city, but before you do that stick your damn nose into the bible first and learn WHY he has ordered them killed.

 

[Absinthe]

This is so expected.

Bush says that God told him to invade Iraq and suddenly he is the one in some perverted derivation of Christianity. When Jericho was destroyed and Moses was ordering people to be killed over a ****ing golden cow, that was legitimate Christianity.

 

[Walter]

Jericho was destroyed because people that lived there were so depraved that they've sacrificed their own children to their gods. Moses for one didn't murder anyone, God told him to lead the isrealites to the promised land for so long that the generation of israelits that worshipped the cow would never reach it as punishment.
Who does Bush think he is to make such blatant lies against Christians in particular?

What does Bush differ from Moses? He said that he recieved a message from "God" that contradicts the fifth commandment "thou shalt not kill, murder. Interpret the word as you wish. Now i wonder what God was that Bush was hearing? If he really was, that is.

 

[Absinthe]

Jericho was destroyed because people that lived there were so depraved that they've sacrificed their own children to their gods.

And the god of Abraham utilized child sacrifice as a wonderful test.
On another occasion, he allowed it to follow through.
Your god also had no problem with killing infants unsaved by lamb's blood.
Oh yeah, and he also has no problem with fathers giving up their daughters to be raped by mobs in order to protect a holy person.

So please, let's not get into the depravity of Jericho and how it compares to Christianity.

Moses for one didn't murder anyone, God told him to lead the isrealites to the promised land for so long that the generation of israelits that worshipped the cow would never reach it as punishment.
Who does Bush think he is to make such blatant lies against Christians in particular?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

The Lord told Moses that his people had corrupted themselves, and that he planned to eliminate them, but Moses argued and pleaded that they should be spared (Exodus 32:11); the Lord relented. Moses went down from the mountain, but upon seeing the calf, he too became angry. He threw down the tablets upon which God's law had been written, and broke them. Moses then burnt the golden calf in the fire, ground it to powder, scattered it on water, and forced the Israelites to drink it. He questioned Aaron about the event, who admitted to collecting the gold, throwing it into the fire, and out came a calf. Then Moses gathered the sons of Levi and set them to slaying a large number of adult males (3000). A plague then struck the Israelites. Nevertheless, the Lord stated that he would one day visit the Israelites' sin upon them.

He killed people much in the same way that Hitler killed people. Through the chain of command.

What does Bush differ from Moses? He said that he recieved a message from "God" that contradicts the fifth commandment "thou shalt not kill, murder. Interpret the word as you wish. Now i wonder what God was that Bush was hearing? If he really was, that is.

It is "Thous shalt not murder". That places it in an entirely different context from "kill". Murder, by definition, is unlawful killing. We have no reason to believe that God views Bush's war as unlawful.

Also, please do away with your signature. It's an offensive travesty.

 

[Walter]

And the god of Abraham utilized child sacrifice as a wonderful test.On another occasion, he allowed it to follow through.

That WAS a test, which he didn't let to follow through.

Your god also had no problem with killing infants unsaved by lamb's blood.

Of course he had a problem with killing them. Who doesn't are such fools who promote abortion and let them die violently just because people don't need them.

Oh yeah, and he also has no problem with fathers giving up their daughters to be raped by mobs in order to protect a holy person.

...What?

So please, let's not get into the depravity of Jericho and how it compares to Christianity.

Oh yes i will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

He killed people much in the same way that Hitler killed people. Through the chain of command.

And you compare God to a human being by giving him the same commandments? He has the right to judge and kill people, and Hitler as a human did not possess any of such rights in the eyes of God.

We have no reason to believe that God views Bush's war as unlawful.

And you dare to say that God we know today goes well with a plan of killing 700k Iraqi's...? Now for why do they deserve such a death sentence? explain.

Also, please do away with your signature. It's an offensive travesty.

You have nothing else to criticise but my signature which is none of your damn business?...bum.

 

[Walter]

And the god of Abraham utilized child sacrifice as a wonderful test.On another occasion, he allowed it to follow through.

That WAS a test, which he didn't let to follow through.

Your god also had no problem with killing infants unsaved by lamb's blood.

Of course he had a problem with killing them. Who doesn't are such fools who promote abortion and let them die violently just because people don't need them.

Oh yeah, and he also has no problem with fathers giving up their daughters to be raped by mobs in order to protect a holy person.

...What?

So please, let's not get into the depravity of Jericho and how it compares to Christianity.

Oh yes i will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

He killed people much in the same way that Hitler killed people. Through the chain of command.

And you compare God to a human being by giving him the same commandments? He has the right to judge and kill people, and Hitler as a human did not possess any of such rights in the eyes of God.

We have no reason to believe that God views Bush's war as unlawful.

And you dare to say that God we know today goes well with a plan of killing 700k Iraqi's...? Now for why do they deserve such a death sentence? explain.

Also, please do away with your signature. It's an offensive travesty.

You have nothing else to criticise but my signature which is none of your damn business?...bum.

 

[Absinthe]

That WAS a test, which he didn't let to follow through.

And what a horrible test. Imagine if your own father was willing to kill you and the only thing that stopped him was the word of god. You would have been ****ing traumatized.

Furthermore, God did allow it to take place on another occasion, when Jephthah offered to burn his daughter alive for him if he was guaranteed victory over his enemies. Your god had absolutely no problem with this. Don't believe me? Go read Judges.

Your faith is no better than the filth of Jericho.

Of course he had a problem with killing them. Who doesn't are such fools who promote abortion and let them die violently just because people don't need them.

If he had a problem with it, then why did he do it?

Why did your god go out of his way to kill infants in their sleep?

Your god committed atrocities worse than abortion.

...What?

My gosh, man! Do you not even read the very text that your entire faith is based upon?

As they were enjoying themselves, suddenly certain men of the city, perverted men, surrounded the house and beat on the door. They spoke to the master of the house, the old man, saying, "Bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally!"
But the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, "No, my brethren! I beg you, do not act so wickedly! Seeing this man has come into my house, do not commit this outrage.
Look, here is my virgin daughter and the man's concubine; let me bring them out now. Humble them, and do with them as you please; but to this man do not do such a vile thing!"
But the men would not heed him. So the man took his concubine and brought her out to them. And they knew her and abused her all night until morning; and when the day began to break, they let her go.
Then the woman came as the day was dawning, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, till it was light.
When her master arose in the morning, and opened the doors of the house and went out to go his way, there was his concubine, fallen at the door of the house with her hands on the threshold.
And he said to her, "Get up and let us be going." But there was no answer. So the man lifted her onto the donkey; and the man got up and went to his place.
When he entered his house he took a knife, laid hold of his concubine, and divided her into twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.
And so it was that all who saw it said, "No such deed has been done or seen from the day that the children of Israel came up from the land of Egypt until this day. Consider it, confer, and speak up!"

I have to admit, I totally forgot about the bodily dismemberment. Nice touch, no? Again, this is in Judges.

And you compare God to a human being by giving him the same commandments? He has the right to judge and kill people, and Hitler as a human did not possess any of such rights in the eyes of God.

This is absolutely retarded.

I say: "Hitler ordered mass murder and he killed children."
You say: "Oh, yes he was! He was an evil, evil man. Surely he is in Hell now. Nobody with a good soul would do what he did!"

I say: "God ordered mass murder and he killed children."
You say: "Do not judge God! He's all magic and, like, totally beyond our understanding! He's not evil! Sure, it looks evil. But he really isn't! You just don't understand him. He has, like, an entirely different set of rules that we don't have."

Take one look at that and tell me honestly that you aren't bending over backwards to justify your moronic double standards of morality and God's undeniable tendency to outright annihilate those that piss him off in the slightest degree.

And you dare to say that God we know today goes well with a plan of killing 700k Iraqi's...? Now for why do they deserve such a death sentence? explain.

Why not kill them? He didn't have any trouble before.

What is the matter with you, seriously? What kind of criteria are you working from in order to decide with cases of mass casualties are good or bad in God's eyes? I have provided you two examples of God wanting and allowing the deaths of thousands: Moses and the golden calf, and the destruction of Jericho. Why is it in these instances you think it was totally fine, but when it comes to deaths in Iraq, you feel a moral twinge?

Why was it okay to smite the depraved and the idolaters back then, but it's not any more?

You have nothing else to criticise but my signature which is none of your damn business?...bum.

Your signature contributes to the daily process of retarding the world's population.