"One State, Under God"

[99.vikram]

i do remember there being something in the bible about flaming birds and how they will rule the skys of modern time, and guess what, they do.

Nostradamus made more accurate predictions.
Can you say, fluke?

Also it says the you will all be fooled by someone who claims to be able to bring the world into harmony, your freedoms will be taken for more order, but, after 7 years of rule all hell will break loose, aka Armageddon.

Conveniently vague. Again, Nostradamus did better than this.

Sir Issac Newton also calculated the end of the world using the bible in case you didn't know.

If you don't know all the facts about this, please don't use it as an illustration. Newton did not in any way agree with apocalypse as predicted by the bible. Also, some of Newton's ideas have since been proven wrong. Newtonian physics is just an approximation, remember relativity.

Please don't play it down just because you heard some Christian bashing atheist,(Richard Dawkins) who uses his intelligence to make his arguments seem valid, brainwash you into not even trying to read a piece of literature. You never know you may actually like it, what horror that would be right.

Brainwashing is done using half-baked, emotional arguments.
If someone can logically prove somethiung to you, guess what? He's not brainwashing you.

 

[kirovman]

Isaac Newton formulated the Laws of motion (borrowing from Kepler) which were supported by observational scientific evidence.

Isaac Newton may or may not have predicted the apocalypse based on nothing at all but meaningless superstitions.

Notice the difference.

 

[repiV]

If idiots want to believe in the impending apocalypse, I say let them. It looks like a fantastic business opportunity...

 

[Jintor]

Where are you from repiV, Ankh-Morpork?

"It's pretty much known fact" doesn't cut it in a debate. Sorry, man. The link said pretty much "Scholars have said this, and Isaac Newton might have done this, and we don't even know whether he was right but we're making a documentary out of it, because of quantum."

Well, I'd feel good about kids being able to read my lovely prediction because they probably won't read my lovely prediction outside of school.

I read the Bible, my first thought was that I should've moved all the books into the fiction section. I prefered the Phonebook of the Dead.

 

[Cole]

I've seen some articles made by those that study the apocalypse. The text does look like "blackness shall cover the world" at first, but then they compare to what does God mean through the word "blackness" or "world" (all example) it becomes more clearer. The apocalypse doesn't say what exactly will happen and in what date, but it explains the events.

Well I could go read the words "Run Spot Run"(childrens book), come back and take a second look at what the author really ment through the words "Run" and "Spot" and say it has something to do with the apocalypse and then start ranting on how the world is going to die.

I could do the same with the consitution, with the word "Google", with Saltine Crackers, Ritz Bitz, etc.. I can interpret anything however I damn well want to.

So don't bring up how personal intepretations make things clearer, because they don't.



If you don't take the bible literally and leave it open to personal interpretation, then in my personal interpretation the word "God" used in the Bible, is in fact a chinese teapot on the Moon, that when rubbed will grant 10 wishes. WE MUST FIND THE CHINESE TEAPOT!

 

[ríomhaire]

I swear Jintor, every time I see one of your posts I think that I'm more like you than I previously thought...er...did that sentence make sense? Anyway, it's beginning to freak me out.

Oh yes...er...topic. What religion is should be thaught in schools, but beliefs most certainly shouldn't.

 

[FieryGoose]

Kids should be able to learn about religion without paying college fee's period, a lot of religious ideals make up to moral fabric of our society, That's all I have to offer.

You guys are playing down newton like he was an average Joe when really he was one of the greatest physicists to ever live and 10x smarter than anyone on this forum, so stop acting like you know it all. Also find me a book that was written by 40 different authors about the same God. The whole old testament was written before Jesus even lived. But if you guys could only make an effort to understand instead of babbling like blind sheep...instead you break down my argument as if they are supposed to make logical sense when I'll tell you right now, they don't. But ask yourselves why do i believe in something so illogical, would i blindly throw away my logical thought process for no reason other than to stir up argument?

 

[Stigmata]

I'm sorry, but we're not the kind of educated professionals you should be talking to about your fascination with throwing off the shackles of reason and logic in trying to understand the world around you.

Why should I believe something that you admit doesn't make sense?

Second, which I've already said: The fact that Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to uphold and which to ignore is proof that the Bible, and religion as a whole, does NOT create the moral fabric of society. We (term used loosely) filter the passages based on our own morals and our own decision-making process, and fill in the gaps with more modern moralistic creations.

Also, Newton was intermittently insane. Just because he created the [nowadays erroneous and inaccurate [though still applicable in non-error-prone calculations]] system of Newtonian physics, does not make him infallible. I suggest you read up on him.

 

[Cole]

But if you guys could only make an effort to understand instead of babbling like blind sheep...instead you break down my argument as if they are supposed to make logical sense when I'll tell you right now, they don't. But ask yourselves why do i believe in something so illogical, would i blindly throw away my logical thought process for no reason other than to stir up argument?

Because you were taught is as a kid and had it drilled into you.

Let me ask you a question, Why should I blindly throw away logic and worship your god and follow your gods law. You have yet to give me a reason.

I do not care what you believe, I don't care about changing it. I only give reasons to show why I don't believe, not to say why you shouldn't.

I don't worship your god for the same reason you don't worship every other god thought up throughout history.

 

[KagePrototype]

Kids should be able to learn about religion without paying college fee's period, a lot of religious ideals make up to moral fabric of our society, That's all I have to offer.

In the UK religion is taught in public schools, but only as a purely objective and secular form of study. Religious Education should encourage multicultural awareness and understanding, not teach any particular sect as fact or the basis of morality. As far as I'm aware this isn't in the US school system and I think it could act as a nice, safe middle-ground for all concerned.

Just don't try to teach stuff like Creationism as a viable scientific theory, or the Ten Commandments as the proper way to live.

 

[repiV]

In the UK religion is taught in public schools, but only as a purely objective and secular form of study. Religious Education should encourage multicultural awareness and understanding, not teach any particular sect as fact or the basis of morality. As far as I'm aware this isn't in the US school system and I think it could act as a nice, safe middle-ground for all concerned.

Just don't try to teach stuff like Creationism as a viable scientific theory, or the Ten Commandments as the proper way to live.

Well...

Not strictly true. Daily prayers are still a mandatory part of state schooling here.

 

[KagePrototype]

Well...

Not strictly true. Daily prayers are still a mandatory part of state schooling here.

Shit, forgot about that. >.<

To be fair though, in my experience we weren't really "taught" them. We were just given a couple crappy little books to take to every assembly. I don't even remember being told what they even meant, it was just "grab book, this page, go!" Just another silly thing to endure until break time started.

But yeah, they should be removed post haste.

 

[repiV]

Shit, forgot about that. >.<

To be fair though, in my experience we weren't really "taught" them. We were just given a couple crappy little books to take to every assembly. I don't even remember being told what they even meant, it was just "grab book, this page, go!" Just another silly thing to endure until break time started.

But yeah, they should be removed post haste.

We had to sing one song from the song book and one song from the hymn book every morning. In some way I'm actually quite impressed that this has managed to remain not only acceptable but enforced by law under the onslaught of political correctness.
Assembly...bleurgh.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Ah, assembly. Ye-es, assembly.

you break down my argument as if they are supposed to make logical sense when I'll tell you right now, they don't

You've got that right.

 

[gick]

We had to sing one song from the song book and one song from the hymn book every morning. In some way I'm actually quite impressed that this has managed to remain not only acceptable but enforced by law under the onslaught of political correctness.
Assembly...bleurgh.

Jeez, I never had to do that much and I spent 13 years in Catholic education.

 

[kirovman]

Kids should be able to learn about religion without paying college fee's period, a lot of religious ideals make up to moral fabric of our society, That's all I have to offer.

You guys are playing down newton like he was an average Joe when really he was one of the greatest physicists to ever live and 10x smarter than anyone on this forum, so stop acting like you know it all.

Look, noone's playing down Isaac Newton down as an average Joe... but just because he was "the greatest physicists to ever live and 10x smarter than anyone on this forum" does not make him infallible and immune to criticism. Indeed you resorted to the "Argument by authority" logical fallacy.

You should learn that it's not who says something that's important... it's the content of what they deliver.

For example, the Italian scientist Marconi was co-inventor of the Radio, and he supported Mussolini's fascist regime. Does that mean we should all be fascist?

instead you break down my argument as if they are supposed to make logical sense when I'll tell you right now, they don't.

I totally agree with you there.

But ask yourselves why do i believe in something so illogical, would i blindly throw away my logical thought process for no reason other than to stir up argument?

Because you're batshit insane? (no offence)

 

[Jintor]

Lotsa offence.

If you're not going to argue logically then gtfo. Many people believe in illogical things, but just because they believe in it does not automatically prove that those things are worth believing in.

Let me give you an example, as I have done so many times already. If I were to believe something insane. Batshit insane. Crazy, batshit insane. Let's say... Giant robots walk among us every day, but we don't see them because of the Majestic-12 screens powered by Vampire Blood. Ok?

Ask yourself this: Why do I believe in something so illogical; would I blindly through away my logical thought process for no reason other than to stir up arguement?

...this doesn't actually work because I'm using it to stir up arguement. -_-

Damn, I'll need to wokr on that.

 

[Stigmata]

Or, to put it in simpler terms:

The world is logical. If something is illogical, it is a product of the human mind.

That pretty much sums everything up.

Gravity: logical.
Eating for sustenance: logical.
Curfew rationalized through parents saying "because I said so": Illogical, and a product of the human mind.
God and/or religion: Illogical, and a product of the human mind.

 

[Sulkdodds]

What about quantum mechanics, eh?

 

[Jintor]

I CAN'T SEE SULKDODDS THEREFORE HE IS HALF-ALIVE AND HALF-DEAD!

*wheepwheepwheepwheepwheep*



...I'll be honest with you, Quantim mechanics makes no sense to me.

 

[99.vikram]

What about quantum mechanics, eh?

Perfectly logical from a quantum point of view (my favourite point of view)

We don't understand Qmech because we dont experience it in everyday life. But experimental results back it up, unlike claims that God exists.

 

[kirovman]

Quantum Mechanics is pretty fun if you're into hardcore Maths (just like hardcore porn, albeit key exceptions).

Quantum mechanics only makes sense in terms of maths to be honest (and empirical observation), it doesn't make sense in terms of the rational mind of common sense.

 

[Stigmata]

It does make sense - all the randomness and chaos on the quantum level resolves, approximately, to a more Newtonian result on higher physical scales.

I thought this thread was about antidisestablishmentarianism, but whatever, math is cool too

 

[delusional]

I CAN'T SEE SULKDODDS THEREFORE HE IS HALF-ALIVE AND HALF-DEAD!

i dont think it was half-dead, half-alive. But, it was 100% dead and 100% alive at the same time. which is even more confusing.

 

[99.vikram]

I love the idea that there's a small chance that I'll spontaneously teleport to Alpha Centauri!