Religion:The stupidest thing invented by mankind?

[Tr0n]

first off people dont quote movies spoofing off religion namely Dogma. I take extreme offense at this thread. I am entitled to my beliefs and you are entitled to yours. Im already being opressed by the ACLU and i dont need a couple of geeks calling me an idiot and persecuting me because of my religion. you wouldnt make fun of a race would you? then why would you make fun of something that people believe in?

But I do make fun of race.

OH SNAP

 

[Sebastian]

first off people dont quote movies spoofing off religion namely Dogma. I take extreme offense at this thread. I am entitled to my beliefs and you are entitled to yours. Im already being opressed by the ACLU and i dont need a couple of geeks calling me an idiot and persecuting me because of my religion. you wouldnt make fun of a race would you? then why would you make fun of something that people believe in?

Comparing religion to race is like comparing apples to oranges. People have every right to criticize religion, or whatever the hell they want to for that matter. Just don't critcize people until you understand fully what you're criticizing them for.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Something Atheists and Theists have a lot of trouble doing.

 

[Rupertvdb]

where has my insanely long response to mechagodzilla gone?

That's very annoying.

To summarise what i said: Why do you only talk about christianity as a fundamentalist religion? You base the sentiment of the whole on the perspectives and supposed actions (their desire to kill you...) of a few.

You also seem to disbelieve me when i suggest that the Bible wasn't originally written in English. You seem to know a few quotes but have very little concept of what the bible actually is... It's really not a book of law for one thing. Biblio means library by the way, you may be thinking of the torah which means law; but then only the last third of the collection is regarding law.

p.s.

because they're jackasses

black people don't try to turn you into a black person
white people don't try to turn you into a white person
but most christians believe it's their mission to convert you

Race and creed are different things. This is an absurd thing to say.

 

[Absinthe]

Rupert, you're still not understanding him.

He's not accusing Christians of being bloodthirsty.
He's accusing them of not being bloodthirsty enough in accordance with their holy commandments.

 

[Rupertvdb]

And i'm saying that whatever the hell he is saying it is wrong. He is not using factual information which explains anything worthwhile.

by the by, do you mean the bloodthirsty 10 commandments or just the olt testament tales of an angry god?

 

[bbson john]

So far, I have listed out the benefit of having a religion. These arguments is supported by different medical research team. You can name none benefit of being an atheist. Mecha', you suggested that Christianity promotes genocide. But in fact, how many people in history had really carried out because they were Christians? If you cannot name one, All you said is just a theory, it doesn't work in reality.

Tell me, how good atheism is. If you can't, I will conclude that religion is better.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Exactly, Absinthe.

And since they are not being bloodthirsty enough, they are not practicing the same religion that the bible tells them to.
And if they aren't following the bible, then they aren't following the word of god (even if the bible is flawed, it is the only document they've got).
If they aren't following god, then all they are doing is following their own desires.
So the whole of christianity today is really an excuse to act stupid with little or no societal reprecussions.

Even if the god of Abraham and Moses was real, his word has been bastardized beyond recognition by none other than his own most fervent followers.

Also, your post was written. I already responded to your concerns here:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2008482&postcount=382


Edit:
You haven't disproven a single thing I have said. Stop claiming I'm wrong and actually prove me wrong.
I've provided far more than enough to support for my own stance.

Also, the commandments and the "bloodthirsty tales" are meant to be complementary.
They are all part of one document. According to scripture, you cannot follow one without the other.


bbson:
With athiesm, you aren't living in a world of lies.

As much as you love both delusion and mental health, you are going to have to accept that they don't mix.
Good luck getting a psychology degree otherwise.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Tell me, how good atheism is. If you can't, I will conclude that religion is better.

Mecha, which logical fallacy is this.

 

[Sebastian]

Exactly, Absinthe.

And since they are not being bloodthirsty enough, they are not practicing the same religion that the bible tells them to.
And if they aren't following the bible, then they aren't following the word of god (even if the bible is flawed, it is the only document they've got).
If they aren't following god, then all they are doing is following their own desires.
So the whole of christianity today is really an excuse to act stupid with little or no societal reprecussions.

Even if the god of Abraham and Moses was real, his word has been bastardized beyond recognition by none other than his own most fervent followers.

Also, your post was written. I already responded to your concerns here:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2008482&postcount=382


Edit:
You haven't disproven a single thing I have said. Stop claiming I'm wrong and actually prove me wrong.
I've provided far more than enough to support for my own stance.

Also, the commandments and the "bloodthirsty tales" are meant to be complementary.
They are all part of one document. According to scripture, you cannot follow one without the other.


bbson:
With athiesm, you aren't living in a world of lies.

As much as you love both delusion and mental health, you are going to have to accept that they don't mix.
Good luck getting a psychology degree otherwise.

Why do you think CHRISTianity is called christianity? I think it is because we follow the teachings of Christ instead of those of moses and the prophets.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I already told you that jesus demands that you follow the old testament.

It's called Matthew 5:17-5:20

Remember:

"Huh, I guess Jesus might have told us to follow old testament laws after all."

^ That's your quote.

 

[bbson john]

Who have ever said that a person must strictly follow every order the "Bible" told us in order to make himself a Christianity?

Do you think all Christians really don't know there is no heaven after our life? They are trying to comfort themselves, while they are not actually "deceived" by their religion. After all, it is not pathological so it can hardly be "delusion:.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Mecha, which logical fallacy is this.

It's a false dichotomy, for one.

It is also an argument from ignorance.

It reverses the burden of proof.

If he's assuming that religion is good, that's infinite regress and an existential fallacy.

It is also the fallacy of negative proof.

Probably a few others too, but mainly it is an argument from ignorance.


Edit:

Listen bb, that is enough.
Fear of death is not a mental disease and the construction (or appropriation) of an elaborate fanstasy worldview is not a "cure".
When people have a fear, or a phobia, real therapists get their patients to confront and accept reality.
What you call a cure is just emotional repression.

 

[ríomhaire]

Why do you think CHRISTianity is called christianity? I think it is because we follow the teachings of Christ instead of those of moses and the prophets.

Funny, I've never seen a Bible that didn't have the teachings of moses and the prophets in. Maybe that's just the "rules not to follow" section.

 

[bbson john]

As much as you love both delusion and mental health, you are going to have to accept that they don't mix.
Good luck getting a psychology degree otherwise.

Nice, you've choose to learn the truth and suffer from diabetes, shock, coronary heart diseases and permanent brain damage. At last, you have a depression, then a neurasthenia, then a PPD, then a schizophrenia. And you finally fall in to true, permanent, morbid delusion.

 

[Absinthe]

Nice, you've choose to learn the truth and suffer from diabetes, shock, coronary heart diseases and permanent brain damage. At last, you have a depression, then a neurasthenia, then a PPD, then a schizophrenia. And you finally fall in to true, permanent, morbid delusion.

Life's a bitch. Deal with it.

Your scenario is a joke, by the way. Why not throw in eyeball-infecting AIDS that makes your head explode into cancerous ferrets.

 

[Sebastian]

Funny, I've never seen a Bible that didn't have the teachings of moses and the prophets in. Maybe that's just the "rules not to follow" section.

You're right! My arguments were completly wrong. Catholics actually do an Old Testament reading in the mass. There is the first reading, which is from the Old Testament. There is the second reading, which is from the New Testament Apolistic letters; then there is the Gospel, which is either From Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. The Funny thing is that the first two readings usually support what Jesus says in the Gospel, which is to mantain coherency in the mass. I don't know though if they do the same readings over and over again, or if they cycle off from year to year.

 

[bbson john]

Life's a bitch. Deal with it.

Luckily, we are not life but we have a life. We all have a bitch. We got something to do with. But is having a bitch *really* good?

Your scenario is a joke, by the way.

It is a joke. Yet, based on fact. It is a very possibe development.

 

[ríomhaire]

You're right! My arguments were completly wrong. Catholics actually do an Old Testament reading in the mass. There is the first reading, which is from the Old Testament. There is the second reading, which is from the New Testament Apolistic letters; then there is the Gospel, which is either From Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. The Funny thing is that the first two readings usually support what Jesus says in the Gospel, which is to mantain coherency in the mass. I don't know though if they do the same readings over and over again, or if they cycle off from year to year.

It changes between Matthew, Mark and Luke every year. John is used on special occations.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Nice, you've choose to learn the truth and suffer from diabetes, shock, coronary heart diseases and permanent brain damage. At last, you have a depression, then a neurasthenia, then a PPD, then a schizophrenia. And you finally fall in to true, permanent, morbid delusion.

Are you claiming that atheism causes all these diseases? Or that christianity prevents them?

If so, you're looney.

 

[Sebastian]

It changes between Matthew, Mark and Luke every year. John is used on special occations.

What about the old testament readings and the Apostolic readings? Do they change from year to year?

 

[Absinthe]

Luckily, we are not life but we have a life. We all have a bitch. We got something to do with. But is having a bitch *really* good?

You take me too literally. Life is not perfect and you cannot pull down a cloak of comfort over your eyes just because you don't like reality.

Well... you could, actually. You'd just be a repressed idiot for doing so.

It is a joke. Yet, based on fact. It is a very possibe development.

A possible development so uncommon that your only utilization of it is absurd.

If such a scenario becomes reality, you accept it and hopefully make good with your life until your death. I'm sorry if people are miserable on their deathbeds, but it's not my fault if they don't want to take steps to feel better without buying into religious insanity.

 

[bbson john]

Listen bb, that is enough.

The world is not enough. But I like people calling me bb.

Fear of death is not a mental disease and the construction (or appropriation) of an elaborate fanstasy worldview is not a "cure".

Did I say it is a metal illness? Essentially almost everyone fears of death. But the fear CAN develop into mental illness.

When people have a fear, or a phobia, real therapists get their patients to confront and accept reality.
What you call a cure is just emotional repression.

How do you make... people...confront...death? Therapists tell patient to join a religion, as a matter of fact. And I am saying not only the fear of death but also some other sociophebia or paranoia.

 

[ríomhaire]

What about the old testament readings and the Apostolic readings? Do they change from year to year?

I'm pretty sure every Gospel reading has an Old and New Testanment passage assigned to it.

 

[bbson john]

You take me too literally. Life is not perfect and you cannot pull down a cloak of comfort over your eyes just because you don't like reality.

It you who are taking words literally. It is obvious that I am making a joke, to reduce the tension in this thread.

A possible development so uncommon that your only utilization of it is absurd.

If such a scenario becomes reality, you accept it and hopefully make good with your life until your death. I'm sorry if people are miserable on their deathbeds, but it's not my fault if they don't want to take steps to feel better without buying into religious insanity.

Uncommon, you really think it is uncomon. I have already told you why there is such development and which hormone leads to this in the pre-pre-previous post, you didn't listen to me.

 

[DeusExMachina]

UMMMM, therapists DO NOT just tell people to follow a religion. If anything, they introduce them to existentialism.

 

[bbson john]

Are you claiming that atheism causes all these diseases? Or that christianity prevents them?

Again, I have told you the development, both in my worthless theory and others trustworthy theory.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Therapists tell patient to join a religion, as a matter of fact. And I am saying not only the fear of death but also some other sociophebia or paranoia.

No they don't.


No therapist would ever tell a paranoid schizophrenic that they are being watched all the time by invisible people.


You can accept death easily. I do. I'd rather not die, but c'est la vie.

 

[CptStern]

Therapists tell patient to join a religion, as a matter of fact.

lol I'll be sure to tell that to my atheist therapist wife :rolling:

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Oh shit! Someone who knows what he's talking about!

Run, bbson! Run!

 

[bbson john]

You are neither a therapist nor you have see a therapist before! Of course they don't tell every patient to join a religion. If so, they are frauds. But in some common cases, a religion is very helpful

refer:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2006871&postcount=330
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2007049&postcount=336
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2007821&postcount=348
the second argument in the last link is quoted from Prof. Freedom Yiu Kin leung in Hong Kong.

lol I'll be sure to tell that to my atheist therapist wife :rolling:

Ask her. Therapists tell people to join a religion not because they think God helps them, but religion comforts patient scientifically. An atheist can tell people to join a religion, it is not necessary for he or she to be a theist.

No therapist would ever tell a paranoid schizophrenic that they are being watched all the time by invisible people.

They told people to join a religion. Doesn't mean they will introduce a religion for the patient, nor a therapist would do missionary work.
Did I say "schizoprenic"? If a patient have schizoprenia, they should take pills, not joining a religion.

You can accept death easily. I do. I'd rather not die, but c'est la vie.

Not all people can. Diu li lo mo.

 

[Absinthe]

Therapists tell patient to join a religion, as a matter of fact.

Now you're a liar. Add that to your resume.

It you who are taking words literally. It is obvious that I am making a joke, to reduce the tension in this thread.

Really? Because it sucked.

All I saw was an invoking of slippery absurdity because apparently Mecha supports people getting afflicted with the equivalent of biblical plagues.

Uncommon, you really think it is uncomon. I have already told you why there is such development and which hormone leads to this in the pre-pre-previous post, you didn't listen to me.

Probable =/= Common. You used an extreme example to support your flimsy argument.

Thing is, I actually shouldn't listen to you. At least not any more. Every argument of yours has held no water and has been shot down while you run back to the dangerous and stupid idea that comfort should override reason. You claim that medical science involves chopping up people's brains. You falsely claim that therapists reccomend religion and not a single one of the posts you referenced supported this, leading me to believe YOU don't even know what the hell you're typing out.. You spew out misinformation and outright lies that would actually be funny if it weren't for damn sad fact that people like you actually hold some sway in this world.

Nobody should listen to you.

 

[Cole]

If so, they are frauds. But in some common cases, a religion is very helpful

And in some cases religion is very very horrible.

 

[CptStern]

You are neither a therapist nor you have see a therapist before!

what? how would you know? ..my wife is an ABA therapist (look it up) and I myself have worked with many therapists over the years ..from speech therapists to behavioural to cognative to psychiatrists/psychologists etc ...please shut up


thanks mecha but if you havent had much luck I doubt I will ..actually if I was religious I'd denounce it on your contributions alone :E

 

[DeusExMachina]

Besides the fact bb doesn't actually know what's he talking about, I'm surprised he hasn't given up.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

And in most cases religion is very very horrible.

Fixed!


Edit:
Since when has being dumb stopped anyone from talking too much?

 

[bbson john]

what? how would you know? ..my wife is an ABA therapist (look it up) and I myself have worked with many therapists over the years ..from speech therapists to behavioural to cognative to psychiatrists/psychologists etc ...please shut up

Your wife is, but you are not. I told you to ask her. You should really shut up and call your wife to talk to me.



p.s. ABA therapist = American Bar Association therapist.


p.p.s. Is your wife beautiful?

 

[Cole]

Fixed!

Ah yes, thank you very much. To think I actually misspelled most.

Your wife is, but you are not. I told you to ask her. You should really shut up and call your wife to talk to me.

I myself have worked with many therapists over the years ..from speech therapists to behavioural to cognative to psychiatrists/psychologists et

Lets see.....he has worked with many therapists over the years... lets see he has the ability to ask his wife a question.... lets see... am I missing something?

 

[bbson john]

Even then, I am afraid CptStern would hide the truth even if her wife says religion helps. Since god knows what her wife said?

work

:naughty:

 

[Cole]

Even then, I am afraid CptStern would hide the truth even if her wife says religion helps. Since god knows what her wife said?

He does not believe in a God. He has no reason to lie.

Quick question, how do you know your God speaks and can understand english?