Scout Troubles

oh ffs is this how low Hl2.net has sunk? boy scout problems? the ****ing boy scouts?!!![/i] goddammit someone needs to OD on heroin/kill a couple of kittens just to bring the balance back the other way.


anyways to OP: just walk up to your instructor and tell them you are GAY, believe in evolution and you're considering becoming a communist
 
Because the boyscouts discriminate based on sexuality, and political and religious beliefs.
 
If he's in America everybody there does.
 
Tell everyone the scoutmaster touched your penis while you were sleeping. This will solve everything.
 
Tyguy said:
off the topic but how do i become a scout master?
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Simply take on a padawan and remember that fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to touching young boys, which leads to prison.
 
Corp. Sheepo said:
Because the boyscouts discriminate based on sexuality, and political and religious beliefs.
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And to quote directly from the BSA official site:

Accordingly, in the exercise of their constitutional right to bring the values of Scouting to youth members, the Boy Scouts of America will not employ atheists, agnostics, known or avowed homosexuals, or others as professional Scouters or in other capacities in which such employment would tend to interfere with the mission of reinforcing the values of the Scout Oath and the Scout Law in young people.
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http://www.bsalegal.org/duty-to-god-cases-224.asp
 
CptStern said:
yes they do

"The BSA has policies which prohibit atheists, agnostics, and "known or avowed" homosexuals from membership in its Scouting program; both youths and adults have had their memberships revoked as a result. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America#Membership_controversies
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Krynn72 said:
And to quote directly from the BSA official site:



http://www.bsalegal.org/duty-to-god-cases-224.asp
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Um, did you read my post? That's precisely what I said.

Okay, fine guys, you win. I really don't know anything about the boyscouts, but I thought they were vaguely associated with the federal government so that something like that would be out of the question. This is pretty ****ed up.
 
I believe that the boy scouts is private club.

NO GRiLS AlLOWeD.
 
I was in Scouts for a bit. Just tell him what colour my profile page is, and he'll let you join the Girl Guides or whatever it was that your original post was about.
 
Hate being a boy scout? Kids are a bunch of losers these days ...
I was in Scouts for quite a long time and I love it, it gave me a lot of great experiences and skills.
Boy scouts are great unless they are retarded marshmallow roasting US Christ-scouts.
 
Tyguy said:
thats a lovely message to send children..."join the scouts so we can imprint our moral standards and political ideologies in your head. and no gays."

haha, just thought of this:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/18883/saturday-night-live-canteen-boy-and-the-scoutmaster
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Well, frankly, if you don't want their moral system impressed on you then you don't have to join and I can tell you right now they're damn good morals.

Scout Law:
A Scout is:

* Trustworthy,
* Loyal,
* Helpful,
* Friendly,
* Courteous,
* Kind,
* Obedient,
* Cheerful,
* Thrifty,
* Brave,
* Clean,
* and Reverent.
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That's the BSA Law in its entirety, if you think there's something wrong with that moral set then you have some serious issues.
 
A Scout is:

* Trustworthy,
* Loyal,
* Helpful,
* Friendly,
* Courteous,
* Kind,
* Obedient,
* Cheerful,
* Thrifty,
* Brave,
* Straight,
* Christian,
* Clean,
* and Reverent.
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Fixed.
 
Polaris said:
Hate being a boy scout? Kids are a bunch of losers these days ...
I was in Scouts for quite a long time and I love it, it gave me a lot of great experiences and skills.
Boy scouts are great unless they are retarded marshmallow roasting US Christ-scouts.
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I'd just like to emphasize this post; it's the truth. I'm in Scouts, and it's great fun. Sure, some of the kids are little ******s, but it's not like you're forced to hang out with them. I met a lot of awesome people in Scouts, it's not as bad as you think.

There are a lot of skills to learn, stuff that you'd definitely want to know if you're lost in the wilderness.
 
Maestro said:
That's the BSA Law in its entirety, if you think there's something wrong with that moral set then you have some serious issues.
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Obedience is the only one of those i take offense to, and all the others can be easily taught without being prejudice against gays and atheists.
 
Bad joke. Most of those arent even close to synonyms.
 
I've been in (Euro) Scouts for almost ten years and never heard a word about God or homosexuality.
All my leaders and advisors were atheists or agnostics and even one of them was Buddhist.
 
Polaris said:
I've been in (Euro) Scouts for almost ten years and never heard a word about God or homosexuality.
All my leaders and advisors were atheists or agnostics and even one of them was Buddhist.
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Americans, y'know...
 
A scout is clean? Wow. So much for the ability to dig in and get dirty.

DAMN FANCY BOYS!
 
Lol, I guess I was about 9, I was in scouts for a few sessions.

I learned to fight and defend myself and to forge my parents signature for all the forms. We ended up breaking the legs off the couch when we flew back onto it in a brawl. Neither of us said anything, and me and him were really tight after that. But when the scoutmaster finally noticed after we had left, the scoutmaster quit, and I never got badges for my forged approval forms. Even though I really did learn and practice most of them, like tying a knot, come on.

Damn, cuz I would have had hundreds of badges. I don't know where they would all fit. I would have been the highest decorated scout of all time cuz I nearly completed the 200 (or so) page book.
 
Afnopo said:
(Main Question)

Hi, my name is Silvain, and my parents forced me into boy scouts. I hate it there, its such a waste of my time and I hate camping, but it meens so much to my dad since he became a eagle scout with gold palm at age 13. My brother quit scouts, and my little brother can't join scouts because he is disabled, so I am my dad's only chance of one of his sons to be a eagle scout.
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It isn't right for your father to force you to do this, but I think you should reconsider. Being an eagle scout is one of the most impressive things you can do as a kid. Although I disagree with the boy scouts idea, and think that it really does no good in general, this fact alone should be enough to make you think twice about quitting. Having "eagle scout" on your resume is literally like having an extra degree as far as employers go. It isn't fair, but it's true.

To this day, I regret quitting boy scouts -- even if they are a pseudo-fascist organization.

Afnopo said:
It's pretty much like that one Family Guy episode (even though I hate this show) where Chris was in the scouts and all he really wanted to do was draw...Basically, the same thing with me, I just want to make games and draw anime..My parents would never in a million light years understand.
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Why can't you draw anime, make video games, and also be a boy scout? I have a friend who became an eagle scout who is now starting his own video game company. There's no reason you can't do both.

Furthermore, your parents WILL understand. The only one who doesn't understand in this situation is YOU. Don't make the mistake that every angsty teen makes and think that nobody in the world understands you or that you're the center of the universe, because neither is true. Chances are, your father went through a similar experience. His parents probably wanted him to do something he didn't want to do either.

It is a very common experience. You should talk to him about it, and maybe he can share some wisdom with you about his own experience as a kid, and what the boy scouts meant to him. Don't simply dismiss your parents because they're older than you and seem like they want you to do things contrary to your own desires.

Afnopo said:
My question is that we are having a week long camping trip and I am in 3 modding groups, one including my own, I really don't have the time to waste in that prison camp, so could someone please share some advice on how I could tell my dad that I don't want to be in scouts anymore?
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It is a week. Get over it. Your "modding groups" will understand, and frankly, they're not that important in the long run. You should go to the camping trip before making a decision about scouts. I hated the camping trips I used to go on, but they really did provide valuable experiences and life lessons -- mostly social ones. It can be a great experience to be out in the woods (or in my case, the desert) with just a few guys your own age with a compass and a walking stick. You learn a-lot of perseverance, self-control, and teamwork.
Afnopo said:
(Second Question)
Why did this post get banned on FacePunch for "Not a fast threads question thread" when I was posting it as a question? Perhaps the one who banned me was a boyscout himself and felt offended maybe?
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Because its the internet. People are cruel.
 
Oh, and the problems I have with the boy scouts are their emphasis on patriotism and ceremony, and their religion requirements.

The boy scouts are very exclusive and very conservative. Obviously, they don't let girls in--nor do they take kindly to homosexuals or atheists. They require prayer at ceremonies, and inspire such dangerous nationalism that they can easily be compared to the Hitler Youth.
 
Yeah, but still go for it in spite of that minor con, right theotherguy?
 
Krynn72 said:
Yeah, but still go for it in spite of that minor con, right theotherguy?
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Depends. If he's comfortable with that ideology, he should. Being an eagle scout holds a lot of prestige. You can go through all the ridiculous motions without actually believing them.
 
I've been a Scout Leader for the past 2 years and in the Aussie Scouting Movement since I was 11 - it has given me many experiences in life, many good friends - a few random hook ups on major camps - and been one of the things that made many weeks bearable as I look forward to both Rover and Scout Meetings.

But I know for sure that it's not for everyone - if you're still going to the weekly meetings, talk to your leader, most of the time we're good sounding boards for everything and we won't take it personally that someone doesn't like camping etc...

Note: Since 1973 Scouting in Australia let both girls and boys join, making the whole thing so much less gay.
 
Joining the boy scouts is just about collecting badges (One of the oldest forms of achievement whoring). The reason I say that is that you can learn the same skills as they do when your older, when you are most likely to use those skills; just minus the badges.
 
Badges are about introducing people to interest focuses so they can get a taste of a potential career, not so they learn anything in-depth. The exception are Eagle-required badges which are about teaching life-skills (financial management, family dynamics, physical fitness).

As for everyone asshatting about the scout law then pull your dick around and **** yourself, it's a volunteer organization and you don't have to be in it if you don't want to. I think PETA is full of shit, but I don't care about them because I don't have to join!

Personally I wouldn't be interested in camping with a homosexual in my tent or showering at camp with someone who is, sorry if that makes me more than a little uncomfortable.

You don't have to be Christian, true that's the majority of boy scouts, but that's also the majority in the US. I have a friend who's Buddhist, he's a boy scout, I have a friend who's Hindu, he's a boy scout, I know two Muslims who are boy scouts. If you don't like the requirement to believe in a god I repeat: it's a volunteer organization.

As for being a neo-fascist organization? I think you're moving up an order of magnitude or three, neo-fascist is a skin-head or Aryan Brotherhood. I don't remember ever burning a man at a giant cross. Encouraging patriotism isn't exactly an offense against humankind, and I don't remember ever being encouraged to be loyal to a specific party, in fact I don't remember being told to even be loyal to our current system of government. I remember being told that I should do my duty to my country, which I never interpreted to mean 'for the government,' in fact what I took to heart was if this nation ever came down to it I'd shoot the dictator.
 
Most people here don't like religion, quite a few also dislike nationalism. Hence they dislike the Boy Scouts promoting both.
 
This might be a really stupid question (read: stupid question here) but isn't nationalism like patriotism, but more extreme?
 
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