StarCraft II

[Yuri]

It doesn't matter what it's rendering, the issue is that it is rendering at an uncapped level. So it will render as many as your card can handle, even if it's the same frame. This will cause your card to heat to whatever it would at maximum, which for some people, will overheat.

At least I think so.

 

[Dynasty]

Thats strange.

I dont know the science behind it of course, but I would have figured even a static menu screen would be rendered at a low fps, simply because the frames dont need to be altered in any way due to a lack of movement.

And yes, I AM guessing.

 

[StarBob]

8 games, 4 wins on 1 : 1

4 games, 4 wins on 2 : 2, and all because of my Reaper rush. Tbh, nobody can counter a reaper rush + a zergling rush on 2 : 2. Reapers might be a balance issue.

I might buy the NA copy for a week to play the singleplayer. If I do, anyone want to play with me? Still not that good, especially after 15 ~ 20 minutes.

Reapers aren't really unbalanced. They are faster to upgrade, but one photon cannon, a few marines, or a queen/zerglings can take out a two reaper early rush. If I'm playing Terran my strategy is to build my standard wall, but keep my initial marines in the back of my base. If someone actually throws themself at the wall I can get the marines to the front before they break the bunker. It's pretty simple. Zergling rushes can be executed much faster than a reaper rush. On a small map they can be out before my wall is complete with a 6 pool.

Thats strange.

I dont know the science behind it of course, but I would have figured even a static menu screen would be rendered at a low fps, simply because the frames dont need to be altered in any way due to a lack of movement.

And yes, I AM guessing.

The thing is, the menu screen is the elaborate insides of the hyperion. The characters are always in need of being rendered and hardly anything is static. While on it's own this isn't difficult for most PCs, uncapped - your GPU will render it AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... which means it's taxing it 100% the entire time. Most games don't do that unless you're running them well over the capability of your computer. It destroyed cards only when there wasn't proper cooling for a GPU running that hard. My computer (and obviously most others) handled it, but I can tell you it was running REALLY hot. I didn't have my monitor on, but for one of the first times it kicked the fans on high and heated my entire room.

 

[V-Man339]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UFA1ieWA8s

 

[Deleted member 56031]

LOL

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

When everyone is connected to the Internet anyway, does anyone actually need offline LAN play?

 

[Dynasty]

Thats my argument.

But then I remember the days of Counter Strike LAN matches at mate's houses where you get 20 people round, all hook up your PCs, crack open the bulls and LAN the night away.

And playing co-op LAN against online opponents or against AI is always so much more fun. Being able to talk to each other instead of spending money on a mic or having to type everything. At Uni one of my hallmates bought CoH at the same time I did, and he would now and then bring his PC into my room and we would just play against AI. SO much fun.

LAN is much more fun and much more convenient, but yeah, if you dont have bband these days, you're living under a rock.

 

[StarBob]

Yeah I made the same argument, but then the seven people who played a game on a LAN in the past five years come flying out of the caves they live in without Internet access with their whine machines blasting full on. Oh well, people will forget about it in the next few weeks.

 

[Dynasty]

Easily detained with modern technology. We just sit inside and complain on myface and write blogs about it.

Because other people care! THEY DO! I WILL MAKE THEM CARE SO I FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF! AHHHHH!

They care that Im gearing up for the weekend! YOU WILL GIVE A ***K!

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

First off, I'm not arguing with you, you're clearly on the same side as me. Just replying to some stuff.

But then I remember the days of Counter Strike LAN matches at mate's houses where you get 20 people round, all hook up your PCs, crack open the bulls and LAN the night away.

Hell yeah, I did that too. Wish it still happened

And playing co-op LAN against online opponents or against AI is always so much more fun. Being able to talk to each other instead of spending money on a mic or having to type everything. At Uni one of my hallmates bought CoH at the same time I did, and he would now and then bring his PC into my room and we would just play against AI. SO much fun.

Yeah but you can still bring your computer over and be physically next to each other when you play online together. AI matches might make this seem silly, but still doable.

LAN is much more fun and much more convenient, but yeah, if you dont have bband these days, you're living under a rock.

 

[63]

 

[Shakermaker]

There are replays, aren't there?

 

[StarBob]

No one cares about LAN support, a handful of people would use it maybe a couple of times in a year.

Battle.net chat rooms have, for their entire history, been nothing but spam and guild/clan recruitment.

Denying cross-region reduces lag issues and communication issues, keeps me from being killed by Koreans who play 14 hours a day.

I don't know if any Privacy issues now that RealID isn't around. Maybe if you tied it to your facebook account.

There are multiplayer replays... have been for a while...

I don't remember there being anything specific in Starcraft for Tournaments. I don't know what it would even entail.

I like facebook integration because it made it easy to add friends who play to my list.

Fancy graphics are bad?


Also, where are the rest of the SC2 perks? Wonderfully told story, good voice acting, innovative new units and abilities, faster paced gameplay, muliplayer party support, voice support (I haven't tested if it works now), multiple cinematics that are as classy as Blizzard produces, multi-tiered ladder system, accurate stat tracking, massive list of achievements, so on blah blah blah...

Come on people... how could anyone say Starcraft is better? People idolize a game because of some memories and they can't possible accept that games can be better. It probably makes sense from a psychologcal standpoint. Like people who think their mom's cooking is better than any food anywhere because they love their mom and associate good memories with it. It's either that or just the fun of trolling.

 

[63]

Come on people... how could anyone say Starcraft is better?

Zerg and Protoss campaigns.

 

[Shakermaker]

Stupid argument tbh. This is a lush 20 - 25 hour campaign, plus you get to play as the Protoss for a bit. Just not as the Zerg. I can live with that.

 

[flamingdts]

Zerg and Protoss campaigns.

Let's not trash them because they decided to split the campaign up into 3 parts, with each part being just as long as the 3 episodes combined in SC1.

We saw how innovative and polished the terran campaign is, and we've been told each campaign is incredibly unique. It will take at least another year or two for the protoss and zerg campaign to be finished at it's finest quality. Or are people demanding all 3 campaigns to be fit in the game, with each campaign having way less features and way less missions to enjoy these innovative additions?

Plus, it's available for the Mac. Blizzard cares about you guys as well.

 

[StarBob]

Zerg and Protoss campaigns.

Stupid argument tbh. This is a lush 20 - 25 hour campaign, plus you get to play as the Protoss for a bit. Just not as the Zerg. I can live with that.

Just quoting this because that's what I was going to say.

I'll take 29 diverse and entertaining missions with mostly Terran over 30 mostly repeat missions where it's basically "kill enemy" over and over with the same researches until you go insane. I've never been a huge fan of single player RTS games until SC2. Company of Heroes is the only other RTS that had decent single player action and I stopped ultimately stopped playing.

 

[Letters]

I'm quite frustrated at how much worse I got from not really playing the past couple months. God... I'm gonna watch some casts and try to get back on track, haha.

 

[Dynasty]

Looks like everyone is loving it.

96 average on Metacritic. Everyone is basically saying why fix something that isnt broken. Take everything that was great and add some new paint, new engine and a body kit.

Its the same thing. Just..better.

Being hailed as the best RTS and PC game of all time now.

 

[Yuri]

Zerg and Protoss campaigns.

You know, you're pretty much just a troll these days. But you're usually pretty good at it. These totally uninformed jabs make you look like a moron, though..

the LAN video made me lol. Disregarding LANs because "nobody plays them" is a rather stupid thing to do though, guys. When you set up a LAN network it is very difficult to give everyone internet access, and it's something I've done with Starcraft in the past. Requiring an internet connection to play is not very user-friendly, in fact it is downright tyrannical.

The no-cross-realm play is really bothering me too, that's just downright ****ed up.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

I've had 8 friends in my house sharing an Internet connection with no problems. Besides, don't you think tyranny is taking it a little far, mayhaps?

That being said, I feel like being unable to play across regions is a legitimate gripe.

 

[Yuri]

yeah maybe a bit too far. But the fact is, you pay for this game under the pretense that you can play it, regardless of your internet connection status.

The counterargument to that is your internet connection could be considered a system requirement, and no one would argue against the legitimacy of those. But memory and processor speed directly relate to the ability to run the game, whereas an internet connection is obviously not required to play singleplayer or LAN.



Anyway, different note, SC2 info is scarce... I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly how this "Real ID" system works. I would rather not have my real name, nor would I like to allow friends of my friends to see me or grant my friends access to my other friends. StarBob mentioned "ReadID isn't around" above, but I don't know what he means-- it's around for me.

 

[63]

You know, you're pretty much just a troll these days. But you're usually pretty good at it. These totally uninformed jabs make you look like a moron, though..

Struck a nerve with the fanboi, eh? Don't agree with an opinion? Call him a troll. Expecting 3 campaigns is not outrageous, the game has been MIA for 11 years.

 

[Yuri]

No I'm talking about your posting style in general. You've always come here to piss people off, and I remember you from years ago. You used to be more subtle.

The campaign contains a lengthy Protoss section, and there are many factual inaccuracies in the image you posted. Thus the "uninformed." If you have gripes, they should at least be legitimate.

 

[63]

No I'm talking about your posting style in general. You've always come here to piss people off, and I remember you from years ago. You used to be more subtle.

The campaign contains a lengthy Protoss section, and there are many factual inaccuracies in the image you posted. Thus the "uninformed." If you have gripes, they should at least be legitimate.

Glad to see you're keeping an eye out for me. I'd comment on your posts, but I honestly have no clue who you are or how you've managed almost 5000 posts without me seeing you. I didn't make the chart, if you're so upset by it I suggest you contact the creator. Good to hear about the Protoss bits, is there a similar Zerg portion?

 

[Shakermaker]

@63 Read this (<- click me)

 

[unozero]

Zerg and Protoss campaigns.

I'm gonna have to agree with 63 on this.
If any of you believe this has to with polish and not getting more money for that faggit Kotick...I'm sorely disappointed.

All in all I'm still having alota fun though

 

[Krynn72]

If any of you believe this has to with polish and not getting more money for that faggit Kotick...I'm sorely disappointed.

This is a wonderful sentence unozero. Good job on it.

I find myself pretty uninterested in this game after doing the first 4 or so missions. Its really quite boring since combat is so lame.

 

[unozero]

This is a wonderful sentence unozero. Good job on it.

I find myself pretty uninterested in this game after doing the first 4 or so missions. Its really quite boring since combat is so lame.

Are you making fun of the sentence structure?
I know it's not correct, instead of just making sarcastic comments you could tell me what exactly is wrong with structure...

 

[Deleted member 56031]

i thought it was cos he hates bobby kotick =/

 

[Dynasty]

Well, even if you DONT have the intranets, have we all forgotten a little thing known as Skirmish? Have you tried playing the AI in any strategy game on the hardest difficulty?

You might as well be playing some pro North Korean kid.

Which glides nicely to my next point; Im glad, on one side of the coin, that we have region control. It means I dont get paired with some pro player from Asia and lose AGAIN, only this time I lose so badly it makes me want to stop playing. Mainly because I play for fun. Remember fun? I watched some Korean (stereotype much?) kid playing SC and was amazed at how fast he was flicking around the screen, how many clicks he was making, how many keys he was hitting, he was like some robot.

HOWEVER, I can see the impact that would have on something like WoW and that can be applied to any MP game. Ive met so many people from around the world, and region lock is a bit questionable on the social side of things, especially with the advances in communications these days, people are getting connected in seconds regardless of their location. Its not REALLY a society impact, but Blizzard's decision probably has a good reason behind it.

 

[CyberPitz]

Struck a nerve with the fanboi, eh? Don't agree with an opinion? Call him a troll. Expecting 3 campaigns is not outrageous, the game has been MIA for 11 years.

So, you EXPECT 3 campaigns because you want to. That's like expecting DNF to come out, but oh shit it won't! RAAGGEEEE. If you even cared the slightest bit, or did any intelligent research, you'd realize what is coming out. Just because you want to set your expectations out the roof shouldn't be anyone's fault but yours.

Oh well, you guys can hate on the game all you want for whatever silly reasons. I'll be playing one of the best games out, and you will all be butthurt because the one time you'd have no internet and want to play LAN, you can't.



Also, quit talking about no cross region play. Read around, they are working on finding a way to bring it in.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Does nobody else find it just a little rich that one game can be derided and made an example of exactly what is wrong with PC gaming for lacking certain multiplayer features (not naming names, I'll just say that some people are really dedicated to hating on it), and yet when people raise similar complaints about another, newer game, it's just whining and they should enjoy it for what it is?

I mean, I really try not to use this word, but fanboys much?

 

[63]

So, you EXPECT 3 campaigns because you want to. That's like expecting DNF to come out, but oh shit it won't! RAAGGEEEE. If you even cared the slightest bit, or did any intelligent research, you'd realize what is coming out. Just because you want to set your expectations out the roof shouldn't be anyone's fault but yours.

I expect 3 campaigns because that is what we got with SC1. Using your ridiculous logic, I guess it would be fine for Valve to ship L4D3 with 1 campaign, and then charge $x 2 years later for the rest?

fanboys much?

 

[Shakermaker]

I expect 3 campaigns because that is what we got with SC1. Using your ridiculous logic, I guess it would be fine for Valve to ship L4D3 with 1 campaign, and then charge $x 2 years later for the rest?

So you want 2D pixels back?

 

[unozero]

i thought it was cos he hates bobby kotick =/

oh ok then...That he was poking fun at me...hehe

 

[15357]

Reapers aren't really unbalanced. They are faster to upgrade, but one photon cannon, a few marines, or a queen/zerglings can take out a two reaper early rush. If I'm playing Terran my strategy is to build my standard wall, but keep my initial marines in the back of my base. If someone actually throws themself at the wall I can get the marines to the front before they break the bunker. It's pretty simple. Zergling rushes can be executed much faster than a reaper rush. On a small map they can be out before my wall is complete with a 6 pool.

Well, yes, that's why I never use them in 1:1. But its impossible to block zerglings knocking on your front door and reapers killing your workers at the same time.


Anyway, on another note, I dislike many of the things that Blizzard has done with Battle.net. I'm also disapointed that we had only 26 missions, instead of like a hundred. We should have gotten hundreds of awesome cinematics, cool side missions, and a play time of like a thousand hours.

But we don't always get what we want. Live with it. If you don't like the game, too bad. There's always a chance that they'll fix up some shit they did (custom game rooms, etc.).

And Blizzard told me in my dream that I must kill everyone who doesn't like Starcraft 2.

 

[ktimekiller]

anyone in this thread that thinks sc2 is boring/simple needs to die in a chinese earthquake.

 

[StarBob]

Well, yes, that's why I never use them in 1:1. But its impossible to block zerglings knocking on your front door and reapers killing your workers at the same time.


Anyway, on another note, I dislike many of the things that Blizzard has done with Battle.net. I'm also disapointed that we had only 26 missions, instead of like a hundred. We should have gotten hundreds of awesome cinematics, cool side missions, and a play time of like a thousand hours.

But we don't always get what we want. Live with it. If you don't like the game, too bad. There's always a chance that they'll fix up some shit they did (custom game rooms, etc.).

And Blizzard told me in my dream that I must kill everyone who doesn't like Starcraft 2.

It's like 29 missions. You prolly skipped the Protoss missions in your marathon.

Also, I don't think I'm a fanboy at all. I've never been a fanboy to any game. I judge them all games objectively. SC2 isn't perfect. I can't think of any game that didn't have some flaw no matter how minor. I'm just saying that the stated "flaws," in most cases, either don't exist or are minor and not at all worth skipping out on a good game. It's like skipping HL2 because Alyx was in it too much or not enough, or because the game wasn't 40 hours long, or because multiplayer was only deathmatch... and then going on a forum and complaining about it.

I dunno, I just think it's lame. There are games that are MUCH worse that do not get as much shit as SC2 has recently. People are just trolling on it for the attention.

 

[Yuri]

Glad to see you're keeping an eye out for me. I'd comment on your posts, but I honestly have no clue who you are or how you've managed almost 5000 posts without me seeing you. I didn't make the chart, if you're so upset by it I suggest you contact the creator. Good to hear about the Protoss bits, is there a similar Zerg portion?

Sorry you don't remember me, but oh well.

There is a lack of a Zerg portion, and it is fairly disappointing; I'm not a fanboy enough to defend that. But it is a bit annoying to have people say it wasn't a full singleplayer experience, when it really was. If they had integrated the Zerg as they did with the Protoss, it would have been a perfect encapsulation of the full game. It is probably a scheme to get more money from it's fanbase, but I wouldn't expect much more from them in terms of gameplay length or satisfaction. The missing Zerg missions is definitely a drawback, but not nearly enough to excuse so much hatred.

Some of the features lacking in Battle.net are pretty bad, though.

Also, quit talking about no cross region play. Read around, they are working on finding a way to bring it in.

That's great news, but it is strange for them to have intentionally blocked it right-off.