The Dark Knight

Wha'dya Think?

  • Epic, Awesome, Amazing, Best Superhero Film, Mutha ****in Perfect.

    Votes: 100 64.1%

  • Pretty good film, maybe the best Superhero movie.

    Votes: 38 24.4%

  • It was alright.

    Votes: 13 8.3%

  • Disliked it.

    Votes: 5 3.2%
  • Total voters
    156
theres something about batman begins that i liked a little more than this... Maybe it was the whole ninja thing. I wouldn't choose between the two though.
 
If im honest, The Dark Knight was a great watch and Heath Ledger's performance in it will always be one of the greatest things I have ever seen in a film, but on a whole, I think actually did enjoy Batman Begins more. I guess because I wasnt expecting the style they were adopting and was completely blown away by it.
 
In comparison, Begins is weaker. It doesn't have the weight and emotional strength that the Dark Knight has. By all means, it's an easier watch, but the Dark Knight is so much more powerful, both in character and theme. It's an incredible crime drama.
 
The more I think about it after talking with my dad's friend, Harvey Dent/Two-Face is the greatest character in the movie.

He represents humanity the most in the film. Batman, the Joker, they are both absolutes, they both have made the choice, they both think they are right, like God and Satan find themselves to be right.
You can look at both of them and understand their side (IE: Paradise Lost), but is other really "good" or "evil"? They are two extremities. Harvey, he's the middle man, he's torn between following one absolute or the other, humanity.

And in a sense, it's between the Joker and Batman to pull him over to their side, similar to the old God and Satan trying to pull humanity to one side. (it's an analogy, not a religion debate people :p )

Harvey apparently fell to the misanthropic aspect of himself, he let the Joker get a hold of him. Harvey Dent is such a relatable character...
 
just saw this movie about a week ago, and yeah yeah it was awesome. the bst movie i've seen in a long time.


but why did batman have to talk like that? a bit too much growling in my opinion.
 
zombieturtle01 said:
The more I think about it after talking with my dad's friend, Harvey Dent/Two-Face is the greatest character in the movie.

He represents humanity the most in the film. Batman, the Joker, they are both absolutes, they both have made the choice, they both think they are right, like God and Satan find themselves to be right.
You can look at both of them and understand their side (IE: Paradise Lost), but is other really "good" or "evil"? They are two extremities. Harvey, he's the middle man, he's torn between following one absolute or the other, humanity.

And in a sense, it's between the Joker and Batman to pull him over to their side, similar to the old God and Satan trying to pull humanity to one side. (it's an analogy, not a religion debate people :p )

Harvey apparently fell to the misanthropic aspect of himself, he let the Joker get a hold of him. Harvey Dent is such a relatable character...
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Solid analogy, I like it.
 
Why did the joker risk his life by making Harvey flip his coin?
 
it was the Sheezzzyyy!!
that is a good thing
loved the joker....
he really owned the movie
 
The only way the Joker can convince Denton to go ebil is to test his own faith in chance.
 
I finally got around to seeing it, and it was just as awesome as everyone has said. Heath Ledger was superb.
 
TDK was a v.good film, very well written and some brilliant acting, however I was rather hoping me might get some decent fight sequences, but instead we got the usual over edited half seen BS that seems to have become Hollywoods trademark approach ever since the Bourne Supremacy. Is it not possible to actually see Batman kick some ass ala Blade? The guys supposed to be a complete walking weapon, I'd of liked it if we'd of been able to actually see that in effect. ;(
 
I saw this film twice. It was even better than I expected. Most of the comment is about Heath Ledger. He is no longer with us, but his performance as joker in this film is everlasting. The film's storyline has many twists and all are rewarding, the story is developed constantly after each scene, making you wonder what's next. Excellent craft and flows well towards the conclusion. I liked this film very much.
 
Rizzo89 said:
He didn't. He never knew Bruce was batman. He knew batman whould go for rachel, and leave Dent. It had nothing to do with bruce.
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Seen the light yet? You're still wrong. Just pay attention during the interrogation scene. The Joker knew Bruce was Batman.
 
How? I don't remember Joker ever meeting Bruce, mentioning his name or anything. What makes you think that?
 
Joker said:
"You'll have to play my little game if you want to save .... one of them.
[snip]
For a while I thought you were Dent, the way you threw yourself after her -
[snip]
Look at you go! Does Harvey know about you and his-?"
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It's pretty obvious he knows Bruce is Batman and he's involved with Rachel.

Honestly, about half the people I know irl who watched TDK spotted this, the rest all realised as soon as it was pointed out. What's with this forum?
 
"For a while I thought you were Dent, the way you threw yourself after her -"

So, he thought Batman was really Dent, so he captured Rachel. He doesn't need to know that Batman is Bruce to think about getting Rachel.
 
/facepalm

Yeah, whatever you say Sherlock.
 
No matter who the Batman really is, the Joker noticed that Rachel is important to him. So he got her.
 
He knows Batman, or his secret identity rather, loves Rachel. How does that mean he knows that Bruce is Batman?
 
I always saw it as Joker thinking that BATMAN is involved with Rachel.
 
Yeah... Joker knew Batman loved Rachel, not that Bruce loves Rachel and OMG HE MUST BE BATMAN.
 
Yeah and how does he know "Batman loves Rachel"?
OMG he tried to save her life!? Like she's the only person he ever does that for, right? I guess he loves that lawyer too. And he's in love with all the hospital hostages ofc.

You. Make. No. Sense.

The Joker's a smart guy, and Bruce doesn't hide his connections to Batman that well.
 
He threw himself out of the window with complete disregard for everyone else in the room, leaving them alone with the Joker. He could have turned and killed them all in his continuing search for Dent. I doubt that Joker knows he's Bruce Wayne, but he definitely knows there's more going on there.
 
Tbh it doesn't seem too much to me like the Joker knew that Bruce was Batman, just that a) Batman has something going on with Rachel and b) Dent isn't Batman. I know the fact that Batman dived out of a window for her isn't much to go on, but that was the Joker's basis for thinking that Batman was Dent...! He says so. Once he's sussed that Batman isn't Dent, what's left? That Batman loves Rachel...

That's what I took from it anyway. I think if we were definitely meant to infer that Joker knew Batman=Wayne then that would have been made a little more explicit. As it is, we're free to speculate.
 
Laivasse said:
that was the Joker's basis for thinking that Batman was Dent...! He says so.
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I took it as him saying "once Dent admitted to being Batman him jumping after Rachel fitted perfectly" rather than "Dent jumping after Rachel is the reason I thought he was Batman".

I really don't think they would have made it explicit. It isn't a Spoon-Feeding kind of film.
 
Eejit said:
I took it as him saying "once Dent admitted to being Batman him jumping after Rachel fitted perfectly" rather than "Dent jumping after Rachel is the reason I thought he was Batman".
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That's possible.
Eejit said:
I really don't think they would have made it explicit. It isn't a Spoon-Feeding kind of film.
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Well for the same reason I agree that it's possible that Joker knows who Batman is, but I disagree that that it's been made clear in a 'he said this therefore that's what we're meant to think' kind of way.

What also colours my thinking is I think that if Joker knew that Batman=Bruce he would have done something with that knowledge. As it is I still think it's likely that Joker got the Batman/Rachel connection from the window scene and gut instinct, rather than any implicit surveillance of Wayne.
 
I really don't think Joker knows Batman is Bruce Wayne - at all. I think it is a hell-of-a-conclusion to jump to, and not one with enough substantial backing. Toward the end of the film, he practically changes his mind; he doesn't want to know.
 
So I accidentally went to the first page, and when I read the third post, I laughed so, so hard.
 
Eejit said:
No, he doesn't want Batman to unmask. Pretty big difference...
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I think it would shatter his perception of Batman. He constantly infers that Batman is like himself, and that they operate on the same level; that they long to share the same world. Batman and Joker. They're beyond names, beyond who they are underneath the mask, underneath the make-up - they wear their true faces when one is in a suit and the other is dressed like a clown. Who Batman is, who he really is, is entirely irrelevant to the Joker toward the end of the movie.

Anyway, the Joker really probably doesn't know enough about Bruce to make that kind of conclusion. I think it's far too outlandish, far too great a guess to assume he knows.
 
Samon said:
IWho Batman is, who he really is, is entirely irrelevant to the Joker toward the end of the movie.
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After Rachel is dead? Agreed.

Samon said:
Anyway, the Joker really probably doesn't know enough about Bruce to make that kind of conclusion. I think it's far too outlandish, far too great a guess to assume he knows.
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I'm sure he knows absolutely nothing about Gotham's most famous, fabulously rich resident, who's penthouse he broke into, and who sheltered Rachel prior to the Joker grabbing her.

If he didn't know then the entire Dent-Dawes-Kaboom dilemma is based on an absolute guess by the Joker that Batman cares anywhere near as much for the DA's assistant as for the DA himself.
His plan was too carefully crafted to be based on anything other than certain knowledge that Batman was in love with Dawes and would be forced to choose between Bruce's love and Batman's duty.
 
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