US confirms Quran violated

[craig]

Oh dear.

Guantanamo bay is exempt from any kind of law as far as the US is concerned it seems, so why do they even feel it's nessecary to admit this shit? I mean we all know it goes on, but theres a reason it isn't on actual US soil!

 

[CptStern]

Ok lemme ask you this... how many times do redical terrorist muslims burn american flags, burn the cabala, and burn the christan bible? Many many times. God forbid one bible was vandalised! :O !!

who cares? radical fundamentalism is a religion not a government, they're not bound by international law ..the US is

 

[CptStern]

its not something done by the government. Its something some individuals within the government did... And if it 'was' done by the government and government sanctioned, they wouldn't even bother to report that indeed it the quran was violated and moves are being made to correct the situation.

but the torture goes on unabated

 

[T.H.C.138]

There is more public outrage from certain sides over the desecration of a book, than the desecration and murder of a human being... and America is the bad guy? People need to get their priorities straight that a book is not more important than the life of an innocent human being.

ahhh! **** america, killing their rapists and murderers in a humane manner! And **** that guy getting his head chopped off to show a point to the americans! We don't care 'too' much, because its a political statement against the americans!

QFT..
oh, wait..remember rapists and murderers just need a hug

it seems to me that some people just cannot see the good of America or the bad of these insurgents/terrorists or whatever they are this week..only the opposite

blinded by something,I guess..

I will say this though,Bush is pretty disturbed (IMO),and I did NOT vote for him..BUT will that make a difference to this other set of jackasses over in the middle east?

NO! I am American I am everything they hate(jealousy,perhaps?) I am the filthy infidel fit only for killing...sounds like sane and reasonable people to me..WTF?!?!

 

[Foxtrot]

but the torture goes on unabated

"The Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a soldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for "a pattern of unacceptable behavior." In other confirmed incidents, water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; a guard's urine came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; and in a confirmed but ambiguous case a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran"

source


"gulag" seems appropriate

You can't even keep your facts straight, are you alright Stern?

 

[Raziaar]

You can't even keep your facts straight, are you alright Stern?

<says in a hushed voice> Old age!

 

[CptStern]

You can't even keep your facts straight, are you alright Stern?

it makes sense ...the problem here is that you have the sophistication of a garden gnome as do most of your ilk ...full of piss and vinager but lacking sense and fore-thought

 

[Hapless]

it makes sense ...the problem here is that you have the sophistication of a garden gnome

Because I said so, and I'm CptStern. So there.

 

[CptStern]

QFT..
oh, wait..remember rapists and murderers just need a hug

it seems to me that some people just cannot see the good of America or the bad of these insurgents/terrorists or whatever they are this week..only the opposite

blinded by something,I guess..

I will say this though,Bush is pretty disturbed (IMO),and I did NOT vote for him..BUT will that make a difference to this other set of jackasses over in the middle east?

NO! I am American I am everything they hate(jealousy,perhaps?) I am the filthy infidel fit only for killing...sounds like sane and reasonable people to me..WTF?!?!

it is you who is blind ...too blinded by your patriotism to see the truth ....here is the de-classified government documents on the use of torture at abu gharib and guantanamo. It proves the orders came from up high. Here is the Human Explotation resource Training Manual that is consistant with the abuse pattern in Abu Gharib and Guantanamo


now either challenge the veracity of those documents or shut up ...there is no room for "I think" or "I believe" ...there's only "this proves" or "this is fact" ...all else is verbal diarrhea

 

[CptStern]

Because I said so, and I'm CptStern. So there.

nope ...it's self-evident

 

[i z 3 r]

who cares? radical fundamentalism is a religion not a government, they're not bound by international law ..the US is

So your saying since they have no laws its ok to chop off peoples heads, do car bombs, destroy buildings rape women? stuff liek that is perfectly A-OK right.

seriously where do these people like stern come from?


The book of the kuran should be pissed on anyway...

Why they kill the innocent

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”

Qur’an 9:44 “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.”

WHY THEY HATE JEWS

Qur’an 2:61 “Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah’s wrath.”

Qur’an 17:7 “We shall rouse Our (Muslim) slaves to shame and ravage you (Jews), disfiguring your faces. They will enter the Temple as before and destroy, laying to waste all that they conquer.”


Why they hate christanity

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’”



And they call this a religon of peace?

 

[Hapless]

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld determines that Al Qaida and Taliban detainees "are not entitled to prisoner of war status for purposes of the Geneva Conventions of 1949." However, detained individuals are to be treated "humanely, and to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of the Geneva Conventions of 1949."

Shocking.

On May 7, 2004, The Wall Street Journal published excerpts of a confidential report by the International Committee of the Red Cross on detention in Iraq. The 24-page report, dated January 2004 and submitted to Coalition Forces the following month, was based on inspections and interviews which took place from March to November 2003, including a visit to Abu Ghraib in mid-October. It concludes that abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. military intelligence personnel was widespread and in some cases "tantamount to torture." According to the report, ICRC officials warned military intelligence officers of abuse at Abu Ghraib after witnessing mistreatment in the fall of 2003, but were told that harsh and brutal tactics were "part of the process" when trying to "obtain confessions and extract information." Overall, the report says ICRC investigations "suggested the use of ill-treatment against persons deprived of their liberty went beyond exceptional cases and might be considered a practice tolerated by" coalition forces.

Scandalous.

In January 2004 the senior U.S. commander in Iraq authorized an investigation of the conduct of the 800th Military Police Brigade, the unit in charge of detention and internment operations of detainees and other prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. The report, prepared by Maj. General Antonio Taguba, sharply criticizes the unit for mistreatment of detainees at the facility, including various acts of physical, psychological and sexual abuse. The report also finds that interrogators from military and civilian intelligence organizations "actively requested" that personnel from the 800th MP Brigade "set the physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses."

Let's see...when did the Abu Ghraib story break? Why, it was April 28, 2004. Four months AFTER the investigation into the abuse was authorized. The above Red Cross report was issued in February, 2004...again, AFTER the investigation was authorized. Why would an investigation into abuse and mistreatment of prisoners be authorized, if the abuse and mistreatment was a matter of policy?

The majority of the memos listed in your first link appear to be trying to figure out exactly how to handle these people. This is a situation unique in history, and we are apparently learning as we go. I see no grand conspiracy to throw water ballons at Qurans in any of the memos. But, hey, let's look at this manual you've posted, maybe it will shed some light...

Use of Force is a poor technique, yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts and can induce the source to say what he thinks the interrogator will want to hear.

The routine use of torture lowers the moral caliber of the organization that uses it...We strongly disagree with this approach.

Astonishing. I do question the validity of that handbook, as it seems rather shabbily put together, with different fonts and typesets. Not to mention the parts which are scribbled out and written over. Any way to verify that that is, in fact, an official CIA document?

 

[i z 3 r]

I thoguth Abu Ghraib was bloody halarious. What exactly is mistreatment? They got their proper food and water, they were just photographed naked with bags on their head. Is that torture? Or Colition Solider getting bored? Please think before you post this, What are the terrorists doing to out troops? Jessica Lynch was beatn and raped, Japanese Italian, German, French, AMERICAN Civilans were beheaded...

You can't compare apples and machetes...


But lets get some more beautiful Muslim Terrorism Quotes from the book of thieir god!

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Qur’an 3:60 “The Truth (comes) from Allah alone. So be not of those who doubt, waver or dispute. If any one disputes in this matter with you, now after knowledge has come to you, say: ‘Come! Let us gather together our sons and women among ourselves. Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!’”

Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”

Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah—He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: ‘O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.’ If then they turn back, say you: ‘Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered.”

Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”

Qur’an 4:115 “If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger [not Allah] after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!”

Qur’an 37:19 “They will say, ‘Woe to us! This is the Day of Doom.’ Assemble the wrong-doers and their wives and the things they worshipped besides Allah, then lead them to the fierce flaming fires of Hell.”

Bukhari:V2B21N245 “A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, ‘Satan urinated in his ears.’”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Beautiful verses eh?

Why am i the only one standing up and speaking against Islam and its treachery?

 

[trizzm]

as a demonstration to why religious idiots should shut the hell up if they want to live in peace with their imbecile beliefs, I think I will go buy a Koran, whatever that piece of shit book is, with the intention to throw it in a toilet, solely because of the protests worldwide against people who have much more reasonable beliefs, like the freedom to piss on a book if one pleases.

edit: I originally said this before reading the message above me from iz3r. Now my mind is made up I will not buy a koran I will steal one and THEN piss on it.

 

[dys4iK]

So here's a decision for you some of you people to make.

Are you going to be better human beings than those you claim to be at war against? Because the number of you on here veritably cheering on or simply ignoring admitted abuse (minor or major is irrelevent) is a bit disconcerting. Will you tolerate more next week? When will you draw the line and say "We need to be decent human beings?"

Sure, go to war. Maybe they are bad people, but if you take your own standards down to go after them what's the point?

 

[T.H.C.138]

...all else is verbal diarrhea

apparently this sums up your opinions of others thoughts and feelings..very interesting and bold statements from someone who "cares" so much..

my patriotism? who the F do you think you are? I am NOT a flag waving right wing gun toting etc.,etc., I AM however someone who is ****ING SICK of people like you..doing exactly what the REAL bad guys want us ALL to do..

fight each other instead of them over semantics,or any other petty thing(not talking about "Gitmo")..

the point I and quite a few others are trying to get across to you,is that you and "your ilk" only see the Koran/Quran being defiled,and the Bible is getting what it deserves...or that you could care less...at least that is how your words have come across..

why do you have so much HATE CptStern? you really should try to love once in a while..

but I digress..to me this isn't about "patriotism" its about fairness..

you should be raising JUST AS MUCH OF A FUSS over the Saudi defilement of the Christian Holy Book as you are about the U.S. Gov. sending out orders to defile the Muslim Holy Book..

IT IS THE SAME ****ING CRIME..

and that right there is the point you seem to be unable to grasp.. also someone not agreeing 100% with you,doesn't make them a Patriot,Bush lover,right wing nut,redneck..whatever..

I have said this before,I get high..so am I a liberal hippie? I am for the death penalty..am I a right wing extremist? I follow neither path so how can you label me?..better question,WHY should YOU label ANYONE?

P.S.: at least most Christians have grown out of the Crusades mentality...how long ago was that? how long have these knuckle heads been going at it with themselves?

P.S.S: if you can't form your OWN opinion instead of having to resort to "proof" via link to website,maybe you should shut up? I was originally for the war in AFGHANISTAN,but then Iraq happened and I began to wonder what the hell it was about...OMG I was able to think for myself and it changed the way I felt about the war...WOW...open mind people..open mind

 

[CptStern]

Shocking.

speaking of shocking:

"If a new safehouse is to be used as the interrogation site, it should be studied carefully to be sure that the total environment can be manipulated as desired. For example, the electric current should be known in advance, so that transformers or other modifying devices will be on hand if needed."

how about "revealing:?

"Of concern, DOD interrogators impersonating Supervisory Special Agents of the FBI told a detainee that REDACTED. These same interrogation teams then REDACTED. The detainee was also told by this interrogation team REDACTED. These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralization nature to date and CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee. If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done the “FBI” interrogators. The FBI will be left holding the bag before the public.”



or disturbing:

“The following information provides initial details from an individual REDACTED who observed serious physical abuses of civilian detainees in REDACTED Iraq during the period of REDACTED. . . . REDACTED observed numerous physical abuse incidents of Iraqi civilian detainees conducted in REDACTED Iraq. He described that such abuses included strangulation, beatings, placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings, and unauthorized interrogations. REDACTED was providing this information to the FBI based on his knowledge that REDACTED cover-up of these abuses. He stated these cover-up efforts included REDACTED . . . .”


barbaric:

"Notes that detainee arrived from Temporary Holding Facility with “marks (burns) on him that seemed suspicious When questioned about the marks, the detainee stated that he had been tortured by his capt[ors]. Immediately this information was reported to the TF 6-26 Chain of Command, and there is currently a military 15-6 investigation initiated.”

Scandalous.

I agree:

"The memo, written by Attorney General John Ashcroft, summarizes the position of the Justice Department on why the Geneva Convention does not apply to al Qaeda or Taliban prisoners. Ashcroft warns against the possibility of U.S. officials being subject to prosecution for violating U.S. and international laws if the Geneva Conventions are applied."

Let's see...when did the Abu Ghraib story break? Why, it was April 28, 2004. Four months AFTER the investigation into the abuse was authorized. The above Red Cross report was issued in February, 2004...again, AFTER the investigation was authorized. Why would an investigation into abuse and mistreatment of prisoners be authorized, if the abuse and mistreatment was a matter of policy?

why? cuz they couldnt contain it anymore. The FBI had concerns about cia involvement in torture ..it all snowballed into this

Astonishing. I do question the validity of that handbook, as it seems rather shabbily put together, with different fonts and typesets. Not to mention the parts which are scribbled out and written over. Any way to verify that that is, in fact, an official CIA document?

why not ask the people who uncovered it in the first place

 

[i z 3 r]

HEY CptStern

No response to thes quotes from the quran?

 

[T.H.C.138]

EDIT:blehhh...

 

[CptStern]

sorry I'm not going to answer your gibberish, dont waste my time please ..read the links I provided and we'll talk ....same goes for you T.H.C

 

[i z 3 r]

This is gibberish?

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Qur’an 3:60 “The Truth (comes) from Allah alone. So be not of those who doubt, waver or dispute. If any one disputes in this matter with you, now after knowledge has come to you, say: ‘Come! Let us gather together our sons and women among ourselves. Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!’”

Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”

Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah—He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: ‘O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.’ If then they turn back, say you: ‘Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered.”

Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”

Qur’an 4:115 “If anyone contradicts or opposes the Messenger [not Allah] after guidance has been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!”

Qur’an 37:19 “They will say, ‘Woe to us! This is the Day of Doom.’ Assemble the wrong-doers and their wives and the things they worshipped besides Allah, then lead them to the fierce flaming fires of Hell.”

Bukhari:V2B21N245 “A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, ‘Satan urinated in his ears.’”

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”

Can you not read? Or are you just too ashamed to admit your wrong!


http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

The source to expose the Terrorist Muslim Agenda!
Look at that site now, educate yourself Rise up agaist these animals!

 

[T.H.C.138]

you can't respond unless we do that..how sad...what about those quotes from the Muslim Holy Book? isn't a quote good enough for you? why should we answer/obey your "gibberish"? show some respect..damn..you haven't even read anything have you?

just "link" "link" "source"and one more for good measure..."link"..because you,CptStern, have the ONLY valid opinions or sources,right?

BTW THIS is "gibberish" : lihfgeourbghb...see the difference?

EDIT: OK now I am wondering about those quotes myself...prophetofdoom? sounds like it might just be a little biased..but how the hell do I know? I speak gibberish for gods sake

and I change my mind when I have new information..but did you see how easy that was?

 

[CptStern]

This is gibberish?

yes, what part of this didnt you understand?:

whether we put faith in a collection of words or not doesnt make a world of difference to those that would now have further cause to justify their actions ..............you are after all ....the "liberators"

 

[i z 3 r]

So this statement is ok then? Since its just words?

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

 

[15357]

/me goes away muttering about "islamist wackos" and "Imperialist Devil Americans"

 

[bliink]

So this statement is ok then? Since its just words?

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

there are 800+ quotes from the Bible that could be construed as violent as those you have posted.

This topic is based on this post here If you can't all keep ON TOPIC. I will CLOSE the thread and formal warnings will be issued. After that, people are going to end up banned.

I hope thats clear enough.
If not, write me a PM explaining why you think its ok to go insanely off topic and commit borderline abuse on each other.

Thankyou

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

there are 800+ quotes from the Bible that could be construed as violent as those you have posted.

Whoa, I opened that website and the FIRST quote is something twisting like this
"God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey.

These are mostly ones that say "God is mean to humans in the Bible"

Wheras the Qu'ran quotes are specifically saying to followers to "KILL ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE!"

 

[15357]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

there are 800+ quotes from the Bible that could be construed as violent as those you have posted.

This topic is based on this post here If you can't all keep ON TOPIC. I will CLOSE the thread and formal warnings will be issued. After that, people are going to end up banned.

I hope thats clear enough.
If not, write me a PM explaining why you think its ok to go insanely off topic and commit borderline abuse on each other.

Thankyou

well, this is the politics forum..... where all goes into chaos......

we all just argue a lot don't we?

 

[bliink]

Whoa, I opened that website and the FIRST quote is something twisting like this
"God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey.

Wheras the Qu'ran quotes are specifically saying "KILL ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE!"

Congrats at picking a hole in a 3 second google.

I think you're missing my point about the whole issue being pointlessly off topic.

well, this is the politics forum..... where all goes into chaos......

we all just argue a lot don't we?

you need to watch where you step, you're on thin ice already, 15357

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Wheras the Qu'ran quotes are specifically saying to followers to "KILL ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE!"

Agreed, any book that says to kill people with other religions is bad.

54. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Waaait...
Also.

435. "The LORD heard this" and became angry, and burned people "because they believed not in God."
500. God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines.
749. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers.

To list a few.

Add that to repeated accounts of god-approved genocides against non-believing peoples and the whole "everyone who doesn't believe deserves eternal torture" thing, and I think that the Bliink is correct in saying the bible is no different in this respect.

 

[T.H.C.138]

never in disagreement about that!! I know how edited and corrupted over the centuries any book,ESPECIALLY a Holy Book,can become..

Jesus killed when he was a young boy..playing with some kid, making clay figures and jesus was making them walk and such when the other kid said "don't bring the clay figures to life like that!! its the sabbath,you're not supposed to do that"..and Jesus struck him down..plus many many other "minor" edits!!

to the Topic!! AWAY!!!

the fact that the Gov. has said these allegations are true,makes me wonder how much more is going on in this accursed administration..hopefully we will all survive until its over..

 

[CptStern]

the abuse is actually quite well documented

here's US de-classified documents released by the American Civil Liberties Union ...it's a one stop-shop for all branchs of the government involved.

here for example is FBI documents dating back from 2002 ...in it you'll find some of the cases that made it to the media recently ....3 years after the fact

the qu'ran incident


as well as dozens of others that range from common complaints to allegations of severe beatings and torture

 

[ComradeBadger]

9/11 is the result of having "Muslims pissed at you" ...stop propping up despots, tyrants and murderers. Stop arming fanatics, stop killing innocent civilians, stop destroying nations for self aggrandisement

Different. Administrations.



(Interesting point: Islam is in the same stage in it's lifecycle that Christianity was when they started the Crusades)

 

[CptStern]

Different. Administrations.



(Interesting point: Islam is in the same stage in it's lifecycle that Christianity was when they started the Crusades)

it doesnt matter what administration it is ..it doesnt matter if the democrats or the republicans are in office (although more frequently when the neo cons have a firm grip on the republicans: Reagan, Bush Sr etc) it's spans over 50 years of foreign policy

 

[Vigilante]

basically stern, i give as much of a shit about this as you do about clinton getting his pole polished in office.

 

[The Mullinator]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Amnesty_International_doesn't_%22know_for_sure%22_about_Guantanamo_abuses

This seemed like the appropriate thread to post this in at the moment. It certainly made me lose respect for Amnesty International. I would have liked to believe they would not have been the kind of people to blow things out of porportion.

Perhaps they were right in calling it a gulag but they have definitaly shown they are heavily biased.

 

[CptStern]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Amnesty_International_doesn't_%22know_for_sure%22_about_Guantanamo_abuses

This seemed like the appropriate thread to post this in at the moment. It certainly made me lose respect for Amnesty International. I would have liked to believe they would not have been the kind of people to blow things out of porportion.

Perhaps they were right in calling it a gulag but they have definitaly shown they are heavily biased.

I dont agree ...I think this explains it somewhat:

"his group does not "know for sure" whether or not claims it leveled against the U.S. military are valid because the U.S. will not give access to the camp to investigate them."


it's all boils down to semantics ...are we going to nitpick the use of the word "gulag" and ignore the bigger picture here? there is no doubt of the abuse in US military prisons ..that should be the issue here, not whether or not the word "gulag" is appropriate ...seriously who cares what it is called? so long as something is done about it

 

[The Mullinator]

I dont agree ...I think this explains it somewhat:

"his group does not "know for sure" whether or not claims it leveled against the U.S. military are valid because the U.S. will not give access to the camp to investigate them."


it's all boils down to semantics ...are we going to nitpick the use of the word "gulag" and ignore the bigger picture here? there is no doubt of the abuse in US military prisons ..that should be the issue here, not whether or not the word "gulag" is appropriate ...seriously who cares what it is called? so long as something is done about it

Its still Amnesty International though using the word "gulag" as a means of getting public support against the US. There probably are abuses going on at Guantanamo but Amnesty should not say anything about them unless they have actually been there to see them. Tell everyone you suspect something is happening is alright but don't go off the deep end by declaring it all fact.

 

[CptStern]

Its still Amnesty International though using the word "gulag" as a means of getting public support against the US. There probably are abuses going on at Guantanamo but Amnesty should not say anything about them unless they have actually been there to see them. Tell everyone you suspect something is happening is alright but don't go off the deep end by declaring it all fact.

ya but that's what amenesty international does ...they did the same for South Africa, China and North Korea ....funny how no one would question those findings


personally I wish they didnt use the word "gulag" ...as evidenced by this thread the word takes front and center while the actual abuse is swept under the carpet ...I blame the war supporters dfor another one of their "smoke and mirrors" diversionary tactics ...scream at amnesty international for one word but god forbid they actually answered the charges of abuse heaped on the US

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Wheras the Qu'ran quotes are specifically saying to followers to "KILL ANYBODY WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE!"

i really,really doubt that it is an actual quote from qu'ran, i've heard it was a peaceful religion