Who Created The Terrorist Problem?

[No Limit]

Al qaida get stronger is the evidence?
If Al Qaida is manipulated by US intelligence, then if it gets stronger, it means US intelligence is getting stronger. Which proves nothing.

I have said, "Because the biggest mind behind Al Qaida is the Inside Group. You can see so said "Al Qaida attack" all benefit to the ruling class, from motives to timing. "911 attack" justified for the Mid-east war by Bush. "Bali bombing and French tanker bombing" aimed to push Australia and France to support Iraq war. "Madrid bombing" aimed to help in election. "London bombing" was used to justify a coming "terror attack in US on 9/24/05". What advantage did Al Qaida gain from these bombings? None. Except a self humiliation that Islamic are savage. (or anyone can tell me some advantage Al Qaida gain from these bombings?)"

These are facts. Who benefits from it is clear. That is evidence. They target at civilians. The purpose was clear too. To demonize Islam and provoke the people to support "war on terror". How could Al Qaida to demonize themselves? What's good to provoke the people all over the world to oppose themselves? Think with your brain.

Also repeat: Why FBI guide the terror cell to attack FBI office.

(1) On 5/31/02, I wrote that Feds was behind OKC bombing.
Re: The motive of OKC bombing by McVeigh is to revenge government's injustice in Waco. His target was FBI and BATF in Murrah Federal Building. Yet on that day, all staffs of FBI and BATF were absent. They knew the bombing in advance. Other federal employees became scapegoat. see "(68. Ashcroft's revenge (5/31/02))"

(2) A response to cover up my allegation. On 10/14/02, they shot a FBI staff to death to quit the allegation that FBI was behind DC sniper shooting spree.

Re: 10/2/02, Bill to authorize the use of armed force against Iraq was present to the House. 10/11/02, Senator passed the bill.
Same day on 10/2, sniper started his first shoot, within 10 days to 10/11, there were 11 shoots. This is action period. Purposed to intimidate law makers to pass the bill.

10/12 to 10/24, a retreat period. 3 shootings in 13 days period. to cover up the retreat.
10/14, 12th shooting. FBI staff Linda Franklin was shot to death. (a tactic of "Thief cried "thieves". "I am the victim. I am not the perpetrator". )
10/19, 13th shooting came with a demand of ransom. Plant the shooting spree a motive.
10/23, 14th shooting followed by the arrest of Muhammad and Malvo to finish the case. (see #128 and #129)

(3) Miami case. FBI guided terror cell to aim at FBI office resembles to the shooting death of FBI staff Linda Franklin. A tactic to avoid the profile of a perpetrator but remain more like a victim when the bombing happens. It originates from OKC bombing.

How much acid were you on when you came up with those theories? And I'm not kidding, this is a serious question.

I would never claim that we should follow the official story of 9/11 especially when we spent 12 million investigating the biggest trategy in this country (out side of Bush being elected ) yet we spend 300 million on Clinton's BJ.

But what you are doing adds to the problem. You are pulling things out of your ass, things you have absolutely no evidance of, and in the process making people like me that want a real investigation look bad. It is irresponsible and down right retarded (my apologies to mentally-ill people, I am not trying to lower you to this guys existance) so please just stop it.

 

[blck_prod]

I would never claim that we should follow the official story of 9/11 especially when we spent 12 million investigating the biggest trategy in this country (out side of Bush being elected ) yet we spend 300 million on Clinton's BJ.

<<< Really ???

And of course, We started it, the Western world,...especially the Americans who even trained the terrorist.

Power and welth aren't equally divided...terrorism will stay untill the gap is gone or narrows a lot....Unfortunatly it keeps getting bigger, so I see more problems in the future.

 

[kathaksung]

no those are not facts ..it's speculatative drivel

so let me get this straight ..US operatives bombed the madrid subway to aid the election? that's all nice but you forgot who won ...Zapatero ..who ran on a platform of removing spanish troops from iraq. After the bombing support for zapatero increased ...so how again was this supposed to make Spain back the war? especially since bush compadre Aznar wasnt even running in the election as he had stepped down? And if Aznar was in cahoots with bush why would his parti popular blame ETA for the bombings? and continued to insist it was ETA right up to election day

Absurd logic. A perpetrator put a "detour" sign at the cross, hoped people would have gone to the way he misled. If people still choose the right way, does that mean the perpetrator hadn't try to mislead people? No. The perpetrator failed his job. So was the Madrid bombing.

Aznar was an ally of Bush. The inside group wish him to stay in the seat so Spain could go on with its "support war" policy. They didn't care much if it was ETA or Al Qaida, only to find a "terror group" as scapegoat and had Aznar playing a victim of terror attack. To cheat the support from people.
They did success at that in 911 attack, so they go on with same tactic in Madrid. Though it failed this time.

 

[kirovman]

Oh look, it's you again!

You know what happened while you were away?

People Died

 

[No Limit]

Absurd logic. A perpetrator put a "detour" sign at the cross, hoped people would have gone to the way he misled. If people still choose the right way, does that mean the perpetrator hadn't try to mislead people? No. The perpetrator failed his job. So was the Madrid bombing.

Aznar was an ally of Bush. The inside group wish him to stay in the seat so Spain could go on with its "support war" policy. They didn't care much if it was ETA or Al Qaida, only to find a "terror group" as scapegoat and had Aznar playing a victim of terror attack. To cheat the support from people.
They did success at that in 911 attack, so they go on with same tactic in Madrid. Though it failed this time.

I hate responding to you, I think in a way it validates what you are saying. All you have posted is a bunch of speculation based on wild theories that do not even follow basic logical fallacy.

I asked you many times and I will ask you again, do you have any shred of evidance that would validate what you are saying? Anything at all?

 

[kirovman]

Heh, No Limit, it's Kathaksung, the internet's local conspiracy theorist.

There's no point in trying to get explanations out of him or reasoning with him.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90215&highlight=kathaksung

He's like some kind of spambot, (who believes the Feds are trying to nail him!)

 

[No Limit]

Heh, No Limit, it's Kathaksung, the internet's local conspiracy theorist.

There's no point in trying to get explanations out of him or reasoning with him.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90215&highlight=kathaksung

He's like some kind of spambot, (who believes the Feds are trying to nail him!)

Lol, he figured out this web site was set up just so we could get him. What will we do now?

 

[CptStern]

Absurd logic.

yes because you have a firm grip on reality and make perfectly logical statements ...what colour is the sky in your world?

A perpetrator put a "detour" sign at the cross, hoped people would have gone to the way he misled. If people still choose the right way, does that mean the perpetrator hadn't try to mislead people? No. The perpetrator failed his job. So was the Madrid bombing.

what the hell are you rambling on about?

Aznar was an ally of Bush. The inside group wish him to stay in the seat so Spain could go on with its "support war" policy.

hello??? aznar was stepping down as leader of the parti popular, he was on his way out regardless of the outcome of the election

They didn't care much if it was ETA or Al Qaida, only to find a "terror group" as scapegoat and had Aznar playing a victim of terror attack.

you have absolutely NO clue as to what you're talking about ..spain has been dealing with ETA for decades ..how would blaming ETA drum up support for the war in iraq? why didnt they immediately pin it on some jihadist terror group immediately following the bombing? why did they repeatedly insist it was ETA if the goal was to drum up support for the war in iraq? your statements are nonsensical

To cheat the support from people.
They did success at that in 911 attack, so they go on with same tactic in Madrid. Though it failed this time.

any evidence to back you up or is that another example of absurdist logic? You should rethink your stance ..especially about the spain bombing because you really have no clue as to the events surrounding the attack

 

[kirovman]

Lol, he figured out this web site was set up just so we could get him. What will we do now?

Get the Italian government to send a SWAT team to take him down!

 

[kathaksung]

I hate responding to you, I think in a way it validates what you are saying. All you have posted is a bunch of speculation based on wild theories that do not even follow basic logical fallacy.

I asked you many times and I will ask you again, do you have any shred of evidance that would validate what you are saying? Anything at all?

There are a lot of circumstance evidence to show that 911 was an inside work. So was Madrid bombing. From the motive, timing and method. Was there any hard evidence to prove Scott Peterson killed his wife? It was only mased on motive and circumstancial evidence.

Because the power is in the hands of government. They decide weather to prosecute or not. Once government is the perpetrator itself, how can you expect they prosecute themselves?

And you also can see the accessories scattering out to discredit, smear those who have different opinions.

 

[kirovman]

Yes, let's all smear kathaksung's impeccable credentials and tarnish his otherwise flawless integrity.

kathaksung was a respected scholar on easy-street until the suits showed up.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

They decide weather to prosecute or not.

Oh shit, they do control the weather!!!

 

[Nemesis6]

There are a lot of circumstance evidence to show that 911 was an inside work.

Such as? If you're gonna talk bullshit, back it up.

 

[kirovman]

Oh please, don't get him started on that again D:

401: Burgermen and 9/11 - Did Ronald MacDonald destroy twin towers?... etc

 

[kathaksung]

Such as? If you're gonna talk bullshit, back it up.

Quote, "Why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane on 911?

Quote, "CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

Chavez proceeded to detail the key discussions that he heard inside the bunker on the day of 9/11:

"I didn't get to see tower one hit, I was in there talking with individuals and i was tired, I'd been there since four in the morning. Then all of a sudden everybody started hustling and bustling. it was like NASA when Apollo 13 was about to crash, everybody running around, and then they put it on the big screen, CNN with the tower on fire.

Then we see the other plane come in and hit it and at that point everybody is standing up. The air force had commanders in contact with NORAD. The plane, or whatever, hit the Pentagon and then we were like 'Why aren't they scrambling jets?' We were asking, there was eight or nine people... Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels asking the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the air force 'why isn't NORAD scrambling jets? and he said 'we received an order to stand down''. And that just perplexed everybody."

Mr Chavez did not know the Lieutenant Colonel and so does not know his name, yet if he can be identified, then we have uncovered a direct link to the stand down order. If that man or any others who were present at CENTCOM on 9/11 can be identified and made to testify under oath, then the whole cover operation could be blown. A real independent investigation would have secured this.

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

Mr Chavez has since been informed that the computer company he now works for, as information security manager, has been receiving threatening phone calls demanding his dismissal. Mr Chavez is another example of someone who is bravely putting his career, reputation and life on the line to get the truth out about the 9/11 cover up.

http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chavez.htm

This is evidence. Now you explain why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane.

 

[blck_prod]

Quote,

http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chavez.htm

This is evidence. Now you explain why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane.

I'm pretty sure they shot down the plane...If I was a terrorist and ppl where braking in in my cockpit. I'll crash it at the next big city in sight, not some cornfields...The fact that it crashed in the middle of nowhere makes me sceptic...altough no proof

 

[No Limit]

Quote, "Why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane on 911?

Quote, "CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

Chavez proceeded to detail the key discussions that he heard inside the bunker on the day of 9/11:

"I didn't get to see tower one hit, I was in there talking with individuals and i was tired, I'd been there since four in the morning. Then all of a sudden everybody started hustling and bustling. it was like NASA when Apollo 13 was about to crash, everybody running around, and then they put it on the big screen, CNN with the tower on fire.

Then we see the other plane come in and hit it and at that point everybody is standing up. The air force had commanders in contact with NORAD. The plane, or whatever, hit the Pentagon and then we were like 'Why aren't they scrambling jets?' We were asking, there was eight or nine people... Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels asking the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the air force 'why isn't NORAD scrambling jets? and he said 'we received an order to stand down''. And that just perplexed everybody."

Mr Chavez did not know the Lieutenant Colonel and so does not know his name, yet if he can be identified, then we have uncovered a direct link to the stand down order. If that man or any others who were present at CENTCOM on 9/11 can be identified and made to testify under oath, then the whole cover operation could be blown. A real independent investigation would have secured this.

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

Mr Chavez has since been informed that the computer company he now works for, as information security manager, has been receiving threatening phone calls demanding his dismissal. Mr Chavez is another example of someone who is bravely putting his career, reputation and life on the line to get the truth out about the 9/11 cover up.

http://infowars.net/articles/September2006/260906Chavez.htm

This is evidence. Now you explain why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane.

Problem there buddy is that noone seems to be able to confirm that this "Mr. Chavez" as they call him served on that base on that perticular base. All you have is a single web site with no real reputation "reporting" this story.

 

[Nemesis6]

Kathaksung, there is no "9/11 conspiracy". Take Maddox' word for it: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

 

[Polaris]

Best theory ever:

Following the release of the 9/11 Commission Report, David Shayler joined the 9/11 Truth Movement, an organization which contends that the September 11, 2001 attacks were the result of a U.S. government conspiracy. The New Statesman has reported Shayler stating "no planes were involved in 9/11." Shayler allegedly argues that the planes which we saw crashing into the World Trade Center were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes...Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center." However, Shayler has elsewhere referred to planes hitting the World Trade Center.

 

[CptStern]

that's not true ..there very much was a "9/11 conspiracy" ..but not what you think it was: not that 9/11 itself was planned but rather that the US used 9/11 as an excuse to invade ....the US used 9/11 as a pretext for invading Iraq knowing full well that the hysteria 9/11 produced would make americans believe the threat from iraq was imiment ...when they knew it wasnt ..in other words they fixed intelligence to support their lies


anyways kathkasung isnt playing with a full deck so I wouldnt take too much stock in what he's saying ..he has yet to provide any compelling evidence to support anything he says

I do wish the conspiracy theorists would just stfu ..it detracts from the reality of how the US pulled the wool over the american publics eyes

 

[Jintor]

Correct. The US did not plan the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but they did most definantly use them as the predominant reason for the invasion of Iraq. It was a scare tactic against the American public to fool them into believing there was a legitimate threat from Iraq.. And it worked.

 

[DeusExMachina]

And you base this all on the memos?

 

[delusional]

i dont even think holograms can be put around a moving object.

 

[No Limit]

Just a FYI: South park will make fun of the conspiracy theories tonight, be sure to catch it if you have comedy central.

 

[kathaksung]

Some more. Fortune made from WTC collapsing.

Quote, "fazli
09/26/06 09:34 AM - Post#297041
(oman forum)

"You've got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment
Of $124 Million

Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire World Trade Centre complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That Was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had ever changed ownership.

Mr. Silverstein's first order of business as the new owner was to change The company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security
company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin's cousin, Wirt
Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines - two key players in the 9/11 attacks.

The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the
Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not
only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.

Another little "coincidence" -- Mr. Silverstein, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7
Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against "terrorist attacks".

Following the attacks, Silverstein filed two insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's
view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion - a princely return on a relatively paltry
investment of $124 million.

There's more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the
rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?

The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was
well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell.

For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an ageing dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due to the known asbestos problem.
Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to dissemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing
the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected "terrorist" attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT
struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed - exactly in the manner of the
Twin Towers.

How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:

"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the
fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, "Pull" is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.

One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of
sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history - including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building's tenants:

US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank

The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their
work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that
back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.

What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.

http://www.omanforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/283700/post/new/#NEW

 

[Solaris]

The feds called me. They said you were wrong, and tried to intimidate me. Do you think they don't want me to know the fact? Does this proove what you wrote is truth? They're afraid of it.

 

[Asknoone]

Correct. The US did not plan the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but they did most definantly use them as the predominant reason for the invasion of Iraq. It was a scare tactic against the American public to fool them into believing there was a legitimate threat from Iraq.. And it worked.

Oh, absolutely. It couldn't have been anymore wrong.

 

[kathaksung]

There are many pictures in this site to compare the explosion of WTC and military test. Worth having a look.

Quote, "View of a Military Expert: Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed

The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's.

Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/soldier5.htm

 

[delusional]

friction of the plane hitting a building causes even more heat dumbass

 

[kirovman]

Look, there's smoke and debris in the WTC, and there's smoke and debris in a 10 kilotonne nuclear test.

The obvious conclusion? WTC was nuked by Burgermen.

BK had office in WTC. Ronald McDonald feeling spiteful. In his spite he nuke WTC use component of Israeli nuke.

Then he cover up by pretending to fly plane into WTC (but then secretly fly around at last second - you can see this in picture).

Then Feds fly into Pentagon to mimic his action.

 

[Cooper]

Who Created The Terrorist Problem?

Good question! I am so glad you asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism

Yay! Now we all know the origins of terrorism. I guess it really had nothing to do with Bush or Reagan, but actually happened around 2,000 years ago, if not before that. Huh. Go figure. Learn something new everyday.

I wonder who started the first war? We really should hang them. I bet it was Kennedy, he invaded Vietnam afterall. Didn't he?



Terrorism has no 'origin,' it is a product of a series of events and to think that the USA is somehow completely responsible for Muslim terrorists is to think that WWI was not a precursor to WWII. Terrorism, like everything in history, is a product of a series of events and people. Please, don't look at something that is going on now and assume that it is a product of this time, because terrorism has just as much history as religions and civilizations. It is intertwined in the history of mankind, same as war or language. If you truly want to understand the terrorism of today centered specifically around the Islamic world then take courses on Islamic civilizations, from the beginning to the present and then you may have a idea of how things have started. Then take courses on international political theories of all the major superpowers and what they did to the Islamic world throughout history. And then you may actually write your own argument instead of posting anothers.

Bush can be blamed for many things, just as all Presidents in history can be blamed for things. But please do not give him the prestige of being the creator of terrorism. You assume he holds too much influence. As if he would change civilizations to come, like Jesus or Mohammad. And you are wrong. He is merely a speck in history, no more important then the 13th emperor of Rome or the 5th Tsar of Russia. Sure, he may be doing things that is feuling terrorism, but he hardly created any of it.

 

[Puzzlemaker]

The media did. Without the media, there would be no terrorism, because nobody would know about the bomb that blew up killing three people.

Its quite a double-edged sword.

 

[delusional]

my history teacher said the vietcong would avoid killing the news people since they showed what was happening to the soldiers there and so the people at home would see this and demand to pull out our soldiers because of how bad it was. So all the vietcong had to do is wait until all the hippies protest and force our military to leave.

 

[No Limit]

Good question! I am so glad you asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism

Yay! Now we all know the origins of terrorism. I guess it really had nothing to do with Bush or Reagan, but actually happened around 2,000 years ago, if not before that. Huh. Go figure. Learn something new everyday.

I wonder who started the first war? We really should hang them. I bet it was Kennedy, he invaded Vietnam afterall. Didn't he?

Thank you for the history lesson, I feel "eduminicated" now.

Ignore the facts all you want, the fact stands that your hero Bush gave over 40 million dollars to the taliban just months before 9/11, the fact still remains that your party's icon Reagan funded Osama Bin Laden and is the reason Al Queda exists, and the biggest fact of all is that when your hero Bush came into office he threw out every counter terrorism measure Clinton created and let Dick Cheney start everything over, something Cheney didn't even think about until after 9/11 happened.

The terrorist problem that is facing us today was created by people you support, do us all a favor and think about that for a while before you go out and vote next week (assuming you are voting).

 

[No Limit]

my history teacher said the vietcong would avoid killing the news people since they showed what was happening to the soldiers there and so the people at home would see this and demand to pull out our soldiers because of how bad it was. So all the vietcong had to do is wait until all the hippies protest and force our military to leave.

Yeah, becasue Vitenam was such a great cause. Too bad we didn't stay there for years longer and let hundreds of thousands of our young troops die and kill thousands more of innocent civillians in the process.

I don't understand a lot of people in this country, do you guys really have absolutely no regard for human life at all?

 

[Aenama]

Yeah, becasue Vitenam was such a great cause. Too bad we didn't stay there for years longer and let hundreds of thousands of our young troops die and kill thousands more of innocent civillians in the process.

I don't understand a lot of people in this country, do you guys really have absolutely no regard for human life at all?

you seem to forget what happened to millions of people after we left.

 

[No Limit]

you seem to forget what happened to millions of people after we left.

What happened to them was absolutely terrible, but it was bound to eventually happen, all we did was spread out everything over a 30 year period making things a lot worse in the end. That conflict was similar to Iraq today, no matter what we would have done there was no way to win. As soon as we went in there we were going to lose.

 

[Aenama]

What happened to them was absolutely terrible, but it was bound to eventually happen, all we did was spread out everything over a 30 year period making things a lot worse in the end. That conflict was similar to Iraq today, no matter what we would have done there was no way to win. As soon as we went in there we were going to lose.

That's true as well.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Lets not forget to blame our Russian comrades who so wonderfully sponsored and aided these violent communist uprisings in Vietnam and Korea.
The US involvement was active, and open, the Russian involvement in that whole region was more underground, destabilizing each country, sponsoring + arming (not to forget starting ) communist revolutions.

If anything Korea and Vietnam were tragic battlefields of USA vs Russia. Just like many smaller countries today are chosen to serve as battlefields for larger/more powerful countries who wish to avoid direct conflict....

 

[kathaksung]

Quote, " ISRAELIS FOREWARNED

On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, "The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack."

Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly killed on the "hijacked" aircraft.

Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11, speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number of Israeli dead to 130 in the president's address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis were thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led to a widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been forewarned to stay away that day.

"Whether this story was the origin of the rumor," Bret Stephens, the Post's editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, "I cannot say. What I can say is that there was no mistake in our reporting."

ODIGO INSTANT MESSAGES

Evidence that Israelis had been forewarned several hours before the attacks surfaced at an Israeli instant messaging service, known as Odigo. This story, clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, was reported only briefly in the U.S. media – and quickly forgotten.

At least two Israel-based employees of Odigo received warnings of an imminent attack in New York City more than two hours before the first plane hit the WTC. Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo employees, however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in New York City, a move that could have saved thousands of lives.

Odigo has a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain demographics, such as Israeli nationality.

Two weeks after 9/11, Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, reportedly said, "It was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message."

The Internet address of the sender was given to the FBI, and two months later it was reported that the FBI was still investigating the matter. There have been no media reports since.

Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its Research and Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of Tel Aviv, which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_warnings_odigo.html
http://www.physics911.net/germanintel.htm