Thief is probably my favorite game series ever. Thief 1, the cathedral, was basically the scariest thing I've ever experienced. I haven't played 3 though... but now that I have a laptop and steam, I should get on it.
By the way, the thread title says "wrangler and achievements" but the page had the wrangler and a payload map description. Huh?
Oh now I see the achievements. Dammit.
You know, that may be true (the second part). But I don't think using dice rolls to define RPG games is correct. Any game can use "chance" to some degree, and I think most do. Even if it's minimal, as in determining what chance your gun has to fail (I'm thinking far cry 2 here) or something like...