Comprehensive Look At Direct X10, LongHorn, And Palladium!

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by poseyjmac

its all your fault though, pirates. they wouldn't be going through all these measures if you simply bought you what wanted. people have proven themselves to be scum bags that cant be trusted

yur directing it at pirates. Anybody with a mp3 file that a record companies says u shouldn't have could be considered a pirate.

 

[Dedalus]

i think now is the time to diffuse this flame war seeing as you humans can't seem to understand a simple fact: this affects us all, pirates or no.

yes developers deserve the money as they earned it. if i want something then i'll buy it because i have the money. other people don't have this luxury, so they just download it. how can i get other people to buy software? do i try and educate them about the perils of piracy? nah i tried that it doesn't work, they just ignore me. so what can i do now? now i need to make a program that's pretty much piracy proof, and that'll force them to buy their software. but will i lower the price of software to compensate? you gotta be fecking joking.

the way i see it, Longhorn will not sell well at all, not to start with anyway. most people will stick with XP or 2000, there's no need to instantly move over to linux the day longhorn comes out. but when MS realise their OS isn't doing to well, they'll probably lower it in price a little or release a Home edition or whatever. you pirates must know that what you're doing is wrong. if you had the money would you buy this stuff? probably not. so what needs to happen is for a universal dampening on software prices. companies are going to have to lower their prices by at least 20% to start with. but of course they'll complain to MS that their sales have dropped since the inception of Longhorn. what will companies do? they'll seek compensation from MS. so MS pays the companies to make software for Longhorn and release it at a cut price and we all benefit.

of course we all know that'll never happen and if anything software prices are gonna sky rocket. i get MS's eventual goal but it might be a little too much too soon.

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
wrong. heres my quote

" people have proven themselves to be scum bags that cant be trusted, so MS will TREAT them like scumbags that cant be trusted."

i didn't direct it at anyone on this forum, thus its not a flame.

Really, is that so? I think not:-

Originally posted by poseyjmac
its funny how easy to see who the pirates are on this forum. they stick out like a sore thumb trying to justify themselves.

:dozey:

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
yur referring to pirates as being scum bags.

yes they are. but i didn't directly call anyone a scum bag. thus i did not flame.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
Really, is that so? I think not:-



:dozey:

yes i said its easy to see who the pirates are. but i was careful not to flame anyone directly. you can give up now, you guys can't nail me on this. i haven't flame anyone lol

 

[Kschreck]

May I remind you that you can have Linux and Windows installed at the same time. You just partition the hard drive. Give so much space to Windows and so much space to linux. Then when you start your computer you will get a menu and you select which OS you want to go into.

 

[Dedalus]

for ****s sake will you shut the hell up and grow up or you'll get this thread closed.

learn from the past and stop being finicky little pedants. stay on topic.

jeez i feel like a mod or summat.

 

[Kschreck]

Dedalus who are you talking to? I'm on topic if your talking about me.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
yes i said its easy to see who the pirates are. but i was careful not to flame anyone directly. you can give up now, you guys can't nail me on this. i haven't flame anyone lol

just because u didn't quote a name doesn't mean u didn't flame. It's like me saying "i hate anyone who plays baseball cause they're stupid." That's a flame, just not directed at anyone specifically, but a group in general, just like what u said "pirates are scum". And yes we can nail u, and we have. U just think you're clever cause u manipulate yur quotes to seem something different than what u said initially.

 

[Dedalus]

i'm talking to posey and his little gang of bashers. you know who you are. keep it on topic or don't post at all, or i'll go and get a mod and he'll sort you out.

 

[The Mullinator]

Okay poseyjmac so you believe that this "Palladium" is a good thing?

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by Dedalus
i'm talking to posey and his little gang of bashers. you know who you are. keep it on topic or don't post at all, or i'll go and get a mod and he'll sort you out.

lol thx dad

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dedalus
i'm talking to posey and his little gang of bashers. you know who you are. keep it on topic or don't post at all, or i'll go and get a mod and he'll sort you out.

yeah im getting bashed here, and im not even flaming, people just disagree with it so they pout. if you dont like whats being posted here and you are not a mod. you are just like us. im merely expressing my views on why i think these steps MS is taking are good.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by The Mullinator
Okay poseyjmac so you believe that this "Palladium" is a good thing?

the pros outweigh the cons imo

 

[Sprafa]

Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
Porn, Pornography, Is bad m'kay

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

As I said it´s time to -------------------KILL BILL----------------------

 

[The Mullinator]

So you would like loose controll over your computer and be forced to do things the Microsoft way? Because if this security system is implemented that is essentally what will happen.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
yeah im getting bashed here, and im not even flaming, people just disagree with it so they pout. if you dont like whats being posted here and you are not a mod. you are just like us. im merely expressing my views on why i think these steps MS is taking are good.

could u please post a quote of u being flamed? And dedalus, this isn't a flame war, its a discussion, and it may be straying off topic but i think its worth being discussed, and so what should i do? start a new thread called "whats the definition of flame?" Just let it role. I'm not pouting either here posey, dont hide behind that.

 

[Dedalus]

MS would probably introduce different types of Profiles. say if you're a home user then you'd choose that option, if you're a business person then you choose that one. but i think those two categories will be broken down a lot more so you'll be able to customise your windows experience. i mean it's not difficult to see how MS have finely tuned windows down the years so the user can have the OS pretty much their own way. who's to say they won't do the same with longhorn? different profiles might allow you different privelages.

EDIT: absent minded mistake corrected.

 

[Kadayi]

I'm going to ignore Posey now, he's already in the land of the losers as regards rational discussion. We've put him in a box of his own devising and he's wriggling in his own delusions, I love the debasement.

Back on topic.

I think the fundamental issues with the way that software generally is going is that we are already beginning to see the monopolizing of particular areas of the industry. Take for example Photoshop, it has become such an inherent tool nowadays that it's name is it's description. It's like Hoover has become synominous with Vaccuum cleaners.

 

[Dedalus]

Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
could u please post a quote of u being flamed? And dedalus, this isn't a flame war, its a discussion, and it may be straying off topic but i think its worth being discussed, and so what should i do? start a new thread called "whats the definition of flame?" Just let it role. I'm not pouting either here posey, dont hide behind that.

i don't wanna get drawn into this but all i'll say is: diffuse this now or it will backfire on you. you're just prolonging this for no good reason. there are reasons why posey is glaringly wrong and reasons why some of you are wrong. all i'm saying is just drop it because whether someone is a scumbag or not has nothing to do with the thread heading.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by The Mullinator
So you would like loose controll over your computer and be forced to do things the Microsoft way? Because if this security system is implemented that is essentally what will happen.

first. we wouldn't be forced to do anything, in the same way you aren't forced to pay for something at best buy.

second, you wouldn't lose control of your computer. you always have control.

third, everything will be fine as long as you buy what you want. if you dont have enough money, then by default yes you are forced to not have that piece of software. which is how it should be. as long as i can play my games and listen to my music, and run my hardware at its best, i will be happy. these will all be possible provided you have $$$. the way it should be!

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dedalus
i don't wanna get drawn into this but all i'll say is: diffuse this now or it will backfire on you. you're just prolonging this for no good reason. there are reasons why posey is glaringly wrong and reasons why some of you are wrong. all i'm saying is just drop it because whether someone is a scumbag or not has nothing to do with the thread heading.

point out where im glaringly wrong. if you can't then just refrain from posting. put up or shut up.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
first. we wouldn't be forced to do anything, in the same way you aren't forced to pay for something at best buy.

second, you wouldn't lose control of your computer. you always have control.

third, everything will be fine as long as you buy what you want. if you dont have enough money, then by default yes you are forced to not have that piece of software. which is how it should be. as long as i can play my games and listen to my music, and run my hardware at its best, i will be happy. these will all be possible provided you have $$$. the way it should be!

with mp3s, suppose an album has only 1 good song on it, u think its worth buying it for $15 so u can listen to the 1 song? Without p2p programs yur gonna have to. U also never mentioned how old u were posey

 

[Dedalus]

posey i swear just shut the hell up about all this wrong business. i said both parties are wrong in certain instances, that should be enough for you to just drop this.

i agree Longhorn is how it should be (software piracy wise), but what people are more peeved about is having to fork out for stuff they use and take for granted. do you think by lowering the price of software it would make longhorn more acceptable? for example, instead of the latest copy of Quake IV or HL3 being £30/$50, they would be £20/$30. personally i think that's a start, and more people are likely to go for longhorn if the software is cheap to get hold of.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
with mp3s, suppose an album has only 1 good song on it, u think its worth buying it for $15 so u can listen to the 1 song? Without p2p programs yur gonna have to. U also never mentioned how old u were posey

you really need to look through the internet more. there are countless legit web sites that allow you to purchase individual songs for 99 cents. do some googling, you'll find plenty.

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
you really need to look through the internet more. there are countless legit web sites that allow you to purchase individual songs for 99 cents. do some googling, you'll find plenty.

once again u avoid the age question posey

 

[The Mullinator]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
first. we wouldn't be forced to do anything, in the same way you aren't forced to pay for something at best buy.

second, you wouldn't lose control of your computer. you always have control.

third, everything will be fine as long as you buy what you want. if you dont have enough money, then by default yes you are forced to not have that piece of software. which is how it should be. as long as i can play my games and listen to my music, and run my hardware at its best, i will be happy. these will all be possible provided you have $$$. the way it should be!

What happens when new software is released that will not work unless I have Longhorn? Eventually I will have to get it if I want to use certain pieces of software.

Second, one of the big debates over this whole system is all about whether you will loose controll over your computer. If I want to install another internet browswer other than IE because its MY computer then why shouldn't I be allowed too? I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is moving in a direction that involves prevention of users from running something other than IE.

Third, I can't get what I want, basically if I want to run 95% of the standard software out there then I must get a Microsoft OS. Money is not the issue, I want to be able to run the software I want, without my OS placing annoying, excessive, unwanted barriers on me.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dedalus
posey i swear just shut the hell up about all this wrong business. i said both parties are wrong in certain instances, that should be enough for you to just drop this.

i agree Longhorn is how it should be (software piracy wise), but what people are more peeved about is having to fork out for stuff they use and take for granted. do you think by lowering the price of software it would make longhorn more acceptable? for example, instead of the latest copy of Quake IV or HL3 being £30/$50, they would be £20/$30. personally i think that's a start, and more people are likely to go for longhorn if the software is cheap to get hold of.

you need to calm down. you are the only one who is acting out of line right now. when you say someone is wrong, you better say why or dont expect to be taken seriously on this forum for going around saying 'you're wrong, ha ha!'

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by The Mullinator
What happens when new software is released that will not work unless I have Longhorn? Eventually I will have to get it if I want to use certain pieces of software.

Second, one of the big debates over this whole system is all about whether you will loose controll over your computer. If I want to install another internet browswer other than IE because its MY computer then why shouldn't I be allowed too? I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is moving in such a direction.

Third, I can't get what I want, basically if I want to run 95% of the standard software out there then I must get a Microsoft OS. Money is not the issue, I want to be able to run the software I want, without my OS placing barriers on me.

you seem to think there is something inherently wrong with an OS standard. but even today, most games only run on windows platform. rarely does linux get a port. but then why arent people up in arms about this now as they are about longhorn? ill tell you, its because you can still get windows for free today so its no biggie

 

[Dedalus]

ok i give up, you can stray off topic if you like talking about who's wrong and scumbags and how old people are, but don't whine and complain when the thread is closed. i for one do not what this thread closed because it's interesting. so don't ruin it for others by prolonging an unfriendly atmosphere. and don't post a reply asking for an explanation of where you're wrong or where whoever else is wrong. i'm pointing out a very clear and obvious point to any bystander. you're ignoring eachother and not agreeing to meet halfway, this the prolonging of the unfriendly atmosphere.

what do you guys think longhorn will do to creativity? most people i know who are proficient with photoshop or 3dmax or other programs started off with pirated versions. will longhorn mean that talented but poor people can't express themselves?

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by The Mullinator


I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is moving in a direction that involves prevention of users from running something other than IE.

i would

 

[JonTheCanuck]

Originally posted by Dedalus
ok i give up, you can stray off topic if you like talking about who's wrong and scumbags and how old people are, but don't whine and complain when the thread is closed. i for one do not what this thread closed because it's interesting. so don't ruin it for others by prolonging an unfriendly atmosphere. and don't post a reply asking for an explanation of where you're wrong or where whoever else is wrong. i'm pointing out a very clear and obvious point to any bystander. you're ignoring eachother and not agreeing to meet halfway, this the prolonging of the unfriendly atmosphere.

what do you guys think longhorn will do to creativity? most people i know who are proficient with photoshop or 3dmax or other programs started off with pirated versions. will longhorn mean that talented but poor people can't express themselves?

Dedalus, there may be some straying off topic but its generally staying on topic. I'm not trying to create an unfriendly atmosphere. Theres straying in every thread occassionally. And as for the age issue, which posey is still avoiding, it would clear some things i'm wondering if he'd answer, but he seems content not to tell.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Dedalus

what do you guys think longhorn will do to creativity? most people i know who are proficient with photoshop or 3dmax or other programs started off with pirated versions. will longhorn mean that talented but poor people can't express themselves?

talented, but lazy you mean. you are correct. its time people get jobs and contribute to the economy to accomplish their goals like any other hard working citizen should do.

i could get a job at burger king for a short time and buy 3dsmax. its not that hard

 

[The Mullinator]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
you seem to think there is something inherently wrong with an OS standard. but even today, most games only run on windows platform. rarely does linux get a port. but then why arent people up in arms about this now as they are about longhorn? ill tell you, its because you can still get windows for free today so its no biggie

This is part of the whole monopoly idea that Microsoft is guilty of. The fact is people are up in arms over it, havn't you noticed the many petitions of people trying to get certain pieces of software ported over to Linux? The only problem with Linux is it just isn't as user friendly as it should be right now and it just doesn't have enough software compatable with it. The problem with Windows is its a flawed OS, and the reason so few people say it isn't is because they have only ever known a windows OS.

Also whats with this getting windows for free?

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by Dedalus
[B}i agree Longhorn is how it should be (software piracy wise), but what people are more peeved about is having to fork out for stuff they use and take for granted. do you think by lowering the price of software it would make longhorn more acceptable? for example, instead of the latest copy of Quake IV or HL3 being £30/$50, they would be £20/$30. personally i think that's a start, and more people are likely to go for longhorn if the software is cheap to get hold of. [/B]

I concur, the problem I see is that there is a general monopolizing taking place in the software market. Adobe already have cornered the Image manipulation market with photoshop and image transfering market with PDFs. They are now going to the mat against Quark in the DTP market, and Quark aren't looking likely winners because Adobe are dramatically undercutting them pricewise with a bundled suite of Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign. If your the market leader and you have no real competition, there really is no incentive for you to lower your prices.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by The Mullinator
This is part of the whole monopoly idea that Microsoft is guilty of. The fact is people are up in arms over it, havn't you noticed the many petitions of people trying to get certain pieces of software ported over to Linux? The only problem with Linux is it just isn't as user friendly as it should be right now and it just doesn't have enough software compatable with it. The problem with Windows is its a flawed OS, and the reason so few people say it isn't is because they have only ever known a windows OS.

Also whats with this getting windows for free?

you can get windows for free off the internet EASILY. you knew that right?. i know that people are up in arms right now, but not nearly as much as they will be when longhorn surfaces. people were really freaked out before xp came out. then cracks came out for it, and everyone calmed down put their picket signs in the closet. now longhorn is resurrecting some worries, but this time around, its not going to turn out the same.

 

[Kadayi]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
talented, but lazy you mean. you are correct. its time people get jobs and contribute to the economy to accomplish their goals like any other hard working citizen should do.

i could get a job at burger king for a short time and buy 3dsmax. its not that hard

LMAO, you'd be flipping burgers for a long time before you could pay for a copy of 3DStudio. Hell why not go the whole hog and save up for a copy of Maya.

 

[The Mullinator]

Originally posted by poseyjmac
you can get windows for free off the internet EASILY. you knew that right?. i know that people are up in arms right now, but not nearly as much as they will be when longhorn surfaces. people were really freaked out before xp came out. then cracks came out for it, and everyone calmed down put their picket signs in the closet. now longhorn is resurrecting some worries, but this time around, its not going to turn out the same.

I knew it was easy to get it for free, but I thought you were saying how good Longhorn would be because it could prevent piracy?

EDIT: Nevermind, my apologies. I misunderstood what you were saying before.

 

[Dedalus]

Polokov i didn't mean for MS to lower the price of Longhorn, but for companies who write software that runs on Longhorn. i posted this above but i'll summarise. software devs will notice a drop in sales once longhorn comes out as for a start not many people will go for longhorn anyway, so software devs are likely to either cut prices to get more sales or ask for some compensation from MS.

you'll notice in history that nothing gets better unless it changes. governments almost create their own opposition so they don't stagnate. if you always have someone trying to beat you and sully your efforts, it will make you stronger. follow the logic? so, that's what the hacking community has been doing to MS all these years. they've been dodging actually buying a copy and writing scripts etc, and it's made MS all the more wiser. thus Longhorn is born, aimed at addressing their past weaknesses. but another thing history has shown us is that opposition never stops. so sooner or later someone will eventually find a way around Longhorn, and the cycle will begin again with MS trying to counter it. it's the only way things get better.

 

[poseyjmac]

Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
LMAO, you'd be flipping burgers for a long time before you could pay for a copy of 3DStudio. Hell why not go the whole hog and save up for a copy of Maya.

yes thats true. but 3dstudios is premium. there are plenty of much lower priced rendering programs that are very good as well, but you may not be into 3d modelling, so you probably think 3dsmax and maya are the only ones. what my point is, is if someone truly wants to make a career of modelling. they can start with a cheaper program, or save money. most people think of 3dsmax for the definiive way to model, and without it you are lost. but thats not the case.