Comprehensive Look At Direct X10, LongHorn, And Palladium!

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Originally posted by Dedalus
what do you guys think longhorn will do to creativity? most people i know who are proficient with photoshop or 3dmax or other programs started off with pirated versions. will longhorn mean that talented but poor people can't express themselves?
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Well I think that is an interesting question. I pretty much learn't all the skills I use as a designer from warezed software at university. Things like 3D Studio, Maya, Photoshop, Cinema 4D etc, aren't programs that you pick up and learn in a couple of hours. They take months if not years to master to gain any degree of proficency (4 years after graduating and I'm still learning new aspects to photoshop).

If your running a business, you'd be a fool not to use legitimate software because you loose out on all the free software support you get, plus you risk jail and fines if your audited. But if your simply using software to develop and sharpen your skills then there is really little incentive to spend money out on as a student on software, that undoubtably is going to be outdated in a year or so.
 
Originally posted by Dedalus
Polokov i didn't mean for MS to lower the price of Longhorn, but for companies who write software that runs on Longhorn. i posted this above but i'll summarise. software devs will notice a drop in sales once longhorn comes out as for a start not many people will go for longhorn anyway, so software devs are likely to either cut prices to get more sales or ask for some compensation from MS.

you'll notice in history that nothing gets better unless it changes. governments almost create their own opposition so they don't stagnate. if you always have someone trying to beat you and sully your efforts, it will make you stronger. follow the logic? so, that's what the hacking community has been doing to MS all these years. they've been dodging actually buying a copy and writing scripts etc, and it's made MS all the more wiser. thus Longhorn is born, aimed at addressing their past weaknesses. but another thing history has shown us is that opposition never stops. so sooner or later someone will eventually find a way around Longhorn, and the cycle will begin again with MS trying to counter it. it's the only way things get better.
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I agree dude, don't get me wrong. I don't think the future is all that grim particularly, where there is a will there is a always a way.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
yes thats true. but 3dstudios is premium. there are plenty of much lower priced rendering programs that are very good as well, but you may not be into 3d modelling, so you probably think 3dsmax and maya are the only ones. what my point is, is if someone truly wants to make a career of modelling. they can start with a cheaper program, or save money. most people think of 3dsmax for the definiive way to model, and without it you are lost. but thats not the case.
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Moving between different Modelling packages is not like changing suits. If I'm an employer and I use Lightwave for example and I have a job going, and two guys apply, one who can use lightwave, and the other who can use C4D. Guess whose going to get the job? Time is money, and todays employers expect people to possess skills, not have to teach them.
 
I think a lot of you have the debate centered around the WRONG ISSUE!!!

IMO, the issue is the CONTROL FACTOR. It is beginning to look like Microsoft will be able to control what you can and cannot have on your computer. Forget whether or not it is pirated software. Microsoft now establishes a huge back-door in your system (kind of like windows update), except this one will be some much more obvious for hackers to attack. If I was an elite hacker, the first thing I would look at is Microsoft Outbreak…I mean, other than the obvious target, I’d look at hacking that ‘backdoor’ this new system would create that is not only obvious, but wide-open. Microsoft probably already has 60billion backdoors already, but still.

An issue that will deter them from such nonsense is the fact that software developers won’t be very happy letting Microsoft control the installation. Wait…they’ll be pissed. If this was actually carried out, it would be an attempt to PWN all software developers.


Honestly, creating an operating system with equivalent capacity to Microsoft windows XP, but uses 1/5 the recourses would not be that difficult. I could not do it all by myself only because there are SOOOO many elements, which would take absolutely forever for a single person to hit them all, but a small team of developers could build something to rival windows in no time at all. I don’t know why some other company with huge $$$ doesn’t even try investing a mere $10 million (as if it would take that 1/20 much to surpass Microsoft) in an attempt to create a rival operating system to Windows. You could so easily PWN windows with the massive increase of speed.



To some of you the issue is piracy, but the real issue to most is privacy/control.
 
Maybe one of the Russian Oil Billionaires will step upto the challenge.
 
posey, you should read this... It's not just about the piracy protection.

Edit: Oops... someone already beat me to it. Look at the links at the top of the page.
 
Personally...poseyjmac..I find you to be way too self-righteous. You are up on your little soap box telling everyone how they should live or how they should do things...

Onto the actual issue...I went to one of those links on the first post www.winsupersite.com and saw this in the FAQ.

"One of the most exciting aspects of Longhorn is its optional integration with Palladium..."

I'm gonna come out and say...this is the first time I've heard of Longhorn..Palladium...and all this...so I don't know exactly what I'm talking about...but just going off what I've read.

Palladium is the aspect of the new Windows release that we are all talking about right? Microsoft possibly controlling what we do with out computers and such...right?

Not sure if this is quite up to date or completely correct...but...does it mean Palladium integration is optional as in the user's choise? If so....I'd be willing to bet my pants most of us wouldn't do that...and I like these pants...

EDIT: ooh...just read the above article...looks like if companies follow along with this Palladium stuff..then lots of us will be out of luck...
 
Originally posted by CheapAssStrat
posey, you should read this... It's not just about the piracy protection.

Edit: Oops... someone already beat me to it. Look at the links at the top of the page.
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Still an interesting and understandable read. I think the notion of 'renting' software in the future is an interesting proposition. I wonder if in the future the access could be tied to users rather than machines though? So wherever I go I can access my photoshop for example, the same way as I can check my hotmail now? (Muses over this one):hmph:
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
Moving between different Modelling packages is not like changing suits. If I'm an employer and I use Lightwave for example and I have a job going, and two guys apply, one who can use lightwave, and the other who can use C4D. Guess whose going to get the job? Time is money, and todays employers expect people to possess skills, not have to teach them.
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still, if a modeller is serious about modelling, he will find a way to get what he wants. lets leave it at that. its ridiculous that you are trying to justify piracy with this.

these people that couldn't get a job unless they pirated a 3d modelling program, aren't valuable employees in the first place if they cant earn what they want legitimately.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
still, if a modeller is serious about modelling, he will find a way to get what he wants. lets leave it at that. its ridiculous that you are trying to justify piracy with this.

these people that couldn't get a job unless they pirated a 3d modelling program, aren't valuable employees in the first place if they cant earn what they want legitimately.
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How old are you Posey?
 
Why not just implant a chip in your skull that tracks you movements and interaction with all suitable electronic devices (then have the producing company secretly use it for market research).
 
Originally posted by AmishSlayer
Personally...poseyjmac..I find you to be way too self-righteous. You are up on your little soap box telling everyone how they should live or how they should do things...

Onto the actual issue...I went to one of those links on the first post www.winsupersite.com and saw this in the FAQ.

"One of the most exciting aspects of Longhorn is its optional integration with Palladium..."

I'm gonna come out and say...this is the first time I've heard of Longhorn..Palladium...and all this...so I don't know exactly what I'm talking about...but just going off what I've read.

Palladium is the aspect of the new Windows release that we are all talking about right? Microsoft possibly controlling what we do with out computers and such...right?

Not sure if this is quite up to date or completely correct...but...does it mean Palladium integration is optional as in the user's choise? If so....I'd be willing to bet my pants most of us wouldn't do that...and I like these pants...

EDIT: ooh...just read the above article...looks like if companies follow along with this Palladium stuff..then lots of us will be out of luck...
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it isn't about being self-righteous. i consider you to be self-righteous, so there. what does this mean? nothing. our views conflict. i dont support piracy, and you... well fill in the blank.

im not telling people how to live, im expressing my views on how things affect people, in the same way others are expressing their views. if you can't deal with it, boo ****ing hoo, cry me a river.

also microsoft 'controls' what we do with our computers now. some apps only run on windows, therefore if we want to run the app we are 'forced' to use windows. without control there would be chaos.
 
heres my say on this whole pirateing arguement:

Pirateing software is wrong and it does nothing but hurt the industry, it is "stealing" and cannot be justified as anything elese (the same as walking to your local store and yoinking a copy of the software off the shelves). do I care??? no I have several pirated programs most of which although are not games. but I do it because I can get away with it (harder to get away with straight out stealing) im a thief im wrong and im a bastard do I care ??? NO
 
Originally posted by bAbYhEaDcRaB
heres my say on this whole pirateing arguement:

Pirateing software is wrong and it does nothing but hurt the industry, it is "stealing" and cannot be justified as anything elese (the same as walking to your local store and yoinking a copy of the software off the shelves). do I care??? no I have several pirated programs most of which although are not games. but I do it because I can get away with it (harder to get away with straight out stealing) im a thief im wrong and im a bastard do I care ??? NO
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you are a smarter person than many in this thread. its ignorant of people to ignore what you've just said.
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
How old are you Posey?
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in this situation, you are irritated at me therefore

if i say an age over 18, you will say ' well you act like a 5 year old , haha!'

if i say an age less than 18, you will say 'ah no wonder you are so stupid, haha!'

so my answer is, old enough to know how life works. and that hard work is what it takes to succeed. not a free piece of software
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
you are a smarter person than many in this thread. its ignorant of people to ignore what you've just said.
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I think that was sarcasm... or role playing... or maybe not. Sure sounded like it though.

Originally posted by poseyjmac
in this situation, you are irritated at me therefore

if i say an age over 18, you will say ' well you act like a 5 year old , haha!'

if i say an age less than 18, you will say 'ah no wonder you are so stupid, haha!'

so my answer is, old enough to know how life works. and that hard work is what it takes to succeed. not a free piece of software
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No, I think the point of wanting to know your age is whether or not you are on your own, buying your own sh*t.
 
*nods at CheapAssStrat

He sure doesn't sound like he does.

* Nods at bAbYhEaDcRaB

It certainly is.
 
why dont software developers (or whoever can do somethign) realise that not just rich nerds own computers anymore and use advanced software they have to realize that most people there marketing to arent uber 1337 h4xr's with tons of cash because they created the first pc's

software is a normal part of the average american/europeans life and should be regulated and priced as such.
 
Renting software would be an interesting notion, especially if done at different rates depending upon your status (student etc), although regulating it would be quite hard.
 
Originally posted by CheapAssStrat
I think that was sarcasm... or role playing... or maybe not. Sure sounded like it though.



No, I think the point of wanting to know your age is whether or not you are on your own, buying your own sh*t.
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thats exactly what i wanted to know for cheapasstrat, but he wouldn't answer. Personally, I figure that his parents still buy everything for him, so he cant really state opinions on something he doesn't have an idea of. Also, if he was over 18 he wouldn't refuse to answer, he's just using it as an excuse to try and keep it secret he still lives at home with his mom and dad.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
it isn't about being self-righteous. i consider you to be self-righteous, so there. what does this mean? nothing. our views conflict. i dont support piracy, and you...
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Am a pirate....there... Blank filled.

right·eous - Morally upright; without guilt or sin.

If you have absolutely no illegal content on your computer or are using any program that's past it's trial date...then props to you...but otherwise...stop preaching.

"talented, but lazy you mean. you are correct. its time people get jobs and contribute to the economy to accomplish their goals like any other hard working citizen should do."

^^^
This is what I call telling people how to live their lives...

"yeah im getting bashed here, and im not even flaming, people just disagree with it so they pout."

We're not pouting..we're simply stating our opinions about your opinions...you are the one that is pouting about your opinions being opposed

bAbYhEaDcRaB has the right idea and I agree with him. I'm in the same boat.

I'm a college student that doesn't have $$ to be buying all the apps I use on a regular basis such as Winzip, Winace, Nero, Windows XP & Office, DAP, etc. All the programs that I use would cost tons of money I don't have.

Sure I could just say darn...I guess I'll just stop using those apps and really limit what I can do on my computer...but why do that when I could go online and get a crack...serial..or whatever? Yeah I know lots of these programs are like $5-$20..but I could see a cool movie with that cash...or buy a bottle of booze...errr....yeah..

I'm not saying I would even buy these programs if I did have a some money because I just don't feel like it and I could spend that money on fun things. If I were completely rich...I'd donate money to the people that make all these programs that I use so they could make better ones...but until then...BLEARGH!! I'm a pirate...
 
Originally posted by AmishSlayer
Am a pirate....there... Blank filled.

right·eous - Morally upright; without guilt or sin.

If you have absolutely no illegal content on your computer or are using any program that's past it's trial date...then props to you...but otherwise...stop preaching.

"talented, but lazy you mean. you are correct. its time people get jobs and contribute to the economy to accomplish their goals like any other hard working citizen should do."

^^^
This is what I call telling people how to live their lives...

"yeah im getting bashed here, and im not even flaming, people just disagree with it so they pout."

We're not pouting..we're simply stating our opinions about your opinions...you are the one that is pouting about your opinions being opposed

bAbYhEaDcRaB has the right idea and I agree with him. I'm in the same boat.

I'm a college student that doesn't have $$ to be buying all the apps I use on a regular basis such as Winzip, Winace, Nero, Windows XP & Office, DAP, etc. All the programs that I use would cost tons of money I don't have.

Sure I could just say darn...I guess I'll just stop using those apps and really limit what I can do on my computer...but why do that when I could go online and get a crack...serial..or whatever? Yeah I know lots of these programs are like $5-$20..but I could see a cool movie with that cash...or buy a bottle of booze...errr....yeah..

I'm not saying I would even buy these programs if I did have a some money because I just don't feel like it and I could spend that money on fun things. If I were completely rich...I'd donate money to the people that make all these programs that I use so they could make better ones...but until then...BLEARGH!! I'm a pirate...
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i think u've nailed it right on the money amishslayer, u figured out a way to say EXACTLY what i was trying to, but i was too lazy to go back and look at the quotes haha. But ya, excellent post. Thats precisely my view on things.
 
Originally posted by CheapAssStrat
I think that was sarcasm... or role playing... or maybe not. Sure sounded like it though.



No, I think the point of wanting to know your age is whether or not you are on your own, buying your own sh*t.
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age has nothing to do with being on your own. there are people that are 50 that still live with their parents. there are those that are 13 that have to pay for everything, even clothes.

personally i earn every dollar i get
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
age has nothing to do with being on your own. there are people that are 50 that still live with their parents. there are those that are 13 that have to pay for everything, even clothes.

personally i earn every dollar i get
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that doesn't mean u pay for everything u get.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
age has nothing to do with being on your own. there are people that are 50 that still live with their parents. there are those that are 13 that have to pay for everything, even clothes.

personally i earn every dollar i get
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Doing what exactly?
 
Originally posted by AmishSlayer
Am a pirate....there... Blank filled.

right·eous - Morally upright; without guilt or sin.

If you have absolutely no illegal content on your computer or are using any program that's past it's trial date...then props to you...but otherwise...stop preaching.

"talented, but lazy you mean. you are correct. its time people get jobs and contribute to the economy to accomplish their goals like any other hard working citizen should do."

^^^
This is what I call telling people how to live their lives...

"yeah im getting bashed here, and im not even flaming, people just disagree with it so they pout."

We're not pouting..we're simply stating our opinions about your opinions...you are the one that is pouting about your opinions being opposed

bAbYhEaDcRaB has the right idea and I agree with him. I'm in the same boat.

I'm a college student that doesn't have $$ to be buying all the apps I use on a regular basis such as Winzip, Winace, Nero, Windows XP & Office, DAP, etc. All the programs that I use would cost tons of money I don't have.

Sure I could just say darn...I guess I'll just stop using those apps and really limit what I can do on my computer...but why do that when I could go online and get a crack...serial..or whatever? Yeah I know lots of these programs are like $5-$20..but I could see a cool movie with that cash...or buy a bottle of booze...errr....yeah..

I'm not saying I would even buy these programs if I did have a some money because I just don't feel like it and I could spend that money on fun things. If I were completely rich...I'd donate money to the people that make all these programs that I use so they could make better ones...but until then...BLEARGH!! I'm a pirate...
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i am not without guilt and sin, so that means i dont fit that definition. am i without guilt or sin related to computer software is the correct question.
another trap question. and its so easy to lie on this forum. i could easily say i dont pirate a thing, yet be lieing out of my ass. so why ask the question? because you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, thats why.

but even if i was the worst pirate in the world, my words would still have truth in them. im not going to give a report on all the apps on my system, because well, i dont have to. but i got my legal version of windows xp for $20 as a student special at my local college. see there are ways to get expensive software, you just have to use your brain and look around

shit, yeah you need to save your money and rip off software devs so you can buy more beer. very respectable. i bet companies are going to be lined up to hire you
 
not everybody has your "special" and what are you ripping on beer for.

edit: how will companies that could hire him know what software he has on his computer and if it was legit?? unless they like check for some wierd....reason??

I FIGURED IT OUT YOU ARE SOMEBODY CHECKING PEOPLE OUT TO HIRE VIA HL2.NET FORUMS w00t!!1
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
thats exactly what i wanted to know for cheapasstrat, but he wouldn't answer. Personally, I figure that his parents still buy everything for him, so he cant really state opinions on something he doesn't have an idea of. Also, if he was over 18 he wouldn't refuse to answer, he's just using it as an excuse to try and keep it secret he still lives at home with his mom and dad.
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and thats all you can do since i didn't give an answer. speculate. but thats what we are best at here at the hl2.net forums.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
ask me again when you are sincere and not out to attack my response.
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*Smells fresh blood

LOL, enough for this evening, some of us have 'real' jobs to go to in the morning :dozey:
 
Originally posted by bAbYhEaDcRaB
not everybody has your "special" and what are you ripping on beer for.
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you missed the point. im saying there are good deals out there. you just have to put forth some effort. your only limit is yourself. sounds cheesy but its true.

not ripping on beer itself. but theres nothing admirable about buying beer instead of paying for legitimate software. its just funny
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
*Smells fresh blood

LOL, enough for this evening, some of us have 'real' jobs to go to in the morning :dozey:
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finally. work overtime please.. the more the better
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
i am not without guilt and sin, so that means i dont fit that definition. am i without guilt or sin related to computer software is the correct question.
another trap question. and its so easy to lie on this forum. i could easily say i dont pirate a thing, yet be lieing out of my ass. so why ask the question? because you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, thats why.

but even if i was the worst pirate in the world, my words would still have truth in them. im not going to give a report on all the apps on my system, because well, i dont have to. but i got my legal version of windows xp for $20 as a student special at my local college. see there are ways to get expensive software, you just have to use your brain and look around
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You are trying to be righteous in this situation. It's a word that has to be used in a certain context.

Just a little bit ago you were preaching that everyone should just buy what they want and support the devs and supporting Microsoft in all their actions....and now you admit to pirating software? That, sir...makes you a hypocrite....and in case you ask about it...

hypocrite - n : a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold.

The reason I asked the question..is to see if you are indeed a hypocrite...which you happened to be...therefore...what respect I had for your opinions...is now gone.

EDIT: "shit, yeah you need to save your money and rip off software devs so you can buy more beer. very respectable. i bet companies are going to be lined up to hire you"

Hell yeah I gotta save money for booze...because I have my priorities...and right now...in my free time..my priorities lie with fun...and that fun sometimes involves booze...I see no correlation to my current social drinking and my future when I get out of school.
 
Originally posted by bAbYhEaDcRaB
not everybody has your "special" and what are you ripping on beer for.

edit: how will companies that could hire him know what software he has on his computer and if it was legit?? unless they like check for some wierd....reason??

I FIGURED IT OUT YOU ARE SOMEBODY CHECKING PEOPLE OUT TO HIRE VIA HL2.NET FORUMS w00t!!1
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ok i was waiting for someone to bring this up. what i meant was a persons general behaviour leaks into every aspect of their life. if they are lazy, their laziness will show up in their work place. if i was hiring someone, knowing their lifestyle would tell me a great deal about how they function as a person. one who pirates the software they want to make models or whatever is more prone to cut corners when he is hired on a real job. as opposed to someone who earns every dollar of his 3dsmax license. this is a valuable employee
 
Huge pile of shit written in negative propaganda purposes! I'm sure that Microsoft understands how many users it will loos if they do that. I don't believe it.

Even if it is so, they will brake the security shit in notime.
 
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