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let me make it plain for people with no patience to read that (though i sincerely hope you do :\ )

method B is like this:

-you go to the doctor complaining of stomach pain.
-he gives you some pain killer...pain gets a bit better but it's still there.
-you go back when the pain gets worse.
-he gives you an even stronger pain killer.
-you go back again...still have pain.
-he tells you that you have stomach cancer and you spend months in chemo only to die later.

hmm...seems stomach cancer was the real problem after all! it wasn't that darn pain you were having!

seriously, do you treat an illness by treating the symptom or treating the illness? if possible, you treat the illness and the symptom at the same time.

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so what i'm telling you is this:

there are two types of people in this world. those who believe it's possible to treat the problem and the symptoms at the same time, and those who believe it's only possible to treat the symptoms because humans are inherently evil.

you decide which you are :\
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
so i guess everybody should just skip college and go straight to the working force? if so, we'd have a world full of uneducated people such as yourself.

im sure thast what you would want to do. but the rest of us who want to work hard to get our education to acquire a good job will do it the way its supposed to be done. with hard work
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
on the otehr hand, you claimed that MS was not run by aliens. but you have no proof of this. so i said to prove it. no contradictions here

your whole aliens argument is just utter nonsense. if someone proved aliens don't run microsoft, what would be the point? exactly...no point.

Originally posted by poseyjmac
go download another expensive app and ease your mind as you screw hard working citizens out of their money

how can a hard working citizen be losing money to someone who can't afford their product anyway!?

the vast majority of people would buy single songs if they could...it's been proven by polls. there are ways of doing that (iTunes). but what about kids without credit cards? what about the tons of other factors you always ignore in your posts?

you're still treating the world as black and white :\
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
well posey, i'll give you points for being interesting.

[lot's of words]

seems pretty stupid to me.

so do you think the US should actually give up fighting the "war on drugs" and decriminalize them, or do you think, as you posted that we should just change our tactics in the fight? i find your example a bit curious, b/c you state that we should try to treat the root of a problem and not it's symptoms, but don't you think it can be argued that the root in this case is the american consumer creating a market for drugs, and the farmers are just a symptom of that demand? subsidize the columbians and drugs will start pouring in from some other country, yeah? just a thought.

oh and as per your sig, in nearly all cases, someone falling into a bottemless pit would die of thirst before starvation.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
im sure thast what you would want to do. but the rest of us who want to work hard to get our education to acquire a good job will do it the way its supposed to be done. with hard work

lol i'm going for a batchelor of science buddy, but i guess i'm taking the easy road with biology, physics, chemistry and calculus, as well as working in the army reserves. U however dont seem to mention anything about yur own life because the fact is u dont have anything to show for the opinions u hold.
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
well posey, i'll give you points for being interesting.

interesting in how you seem to answer the questions you feel like answering...and ignoring others or referring to "aliens"

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but back to the point of my giant post.

you just proved it. you're one of the people who believe in option B. Therefore you wouldn't read my book. meaning you won't subscribe to my way of thinking. I can't do anything to "convert" you to see that A, and more realistically, A+B is a better way of doing things.

do you honestly think that the best way to solve problems is to treat people like children? you don't think that trying to solve the root of a problem while doing something about the immediate symptoms is a bad idea do you? you lump all people into a group by saying "humans inherently are evil and act like children"

well, you're a human. (unless you're an alien who runs microsoft!!) are you inherently evil? is every single human inherently evil? if you do, you're in one group, and i'm in another. that's why there are republicans and democrats...there are two groups of people. those who believe that humans are inherently evil and those who think they're neutral until proven otherwise.

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seriously...let's expand on my colombia example a bit.

millions of our tax dollars go to helping the colombians fight the war on drugs in their country. we send them arms, helicopters, etc.

almost all of the farmers know that their coca crop is turned into a harmful substance that the US tries to eradicate. they would rather grow coffee, but coca makes them about 4 times more money. not to mention that coffee takes a lot more labor.

.............

Solution A: subsidize coffee production so that farmers get about the same benefit from growing coffee as growing coca.

Solution B: use tax money to bulid cropduster planes. the colombians then use those planes to find and destroy coca crops in hopes that farmers will stop growing coca to sell to the drug manufacturers.

............

the US government has chosen solution B. piss off the farmers by spraying chemicals all over their farms (and their houses and areas where children play). the farmers are just trying to have a good life. even those who grow coca are still poor even by colombian standards.

besides that, THE DRUG TRADE ISN'T SLOWING DOWN. PEOPLE STILL USE COCAINE.

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i just don't see how that is any kind of solution...cropdusting...why not solve the real problem? the farmers grow coca because they are poor. help them to grow something besides coca plants.

and that's how method B works...you try to take away the bad choice (growing coca)

seems pretty stupid to me.

im not going to answer every single question. because its me versus the world right now and it takes long enough to reply to the thousands of posts already.

A is ideal i admit. but B seems more realistic in the world we live in.


how about this. if you were microsoft right now and you could change what was to happen in the next few years. what would YOUR solution be to minimize piracy?
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
so do you think the US should actually give up fighting the "war on drugs" and decriminalize them, or do you think, as you posted that we should just change our tactics in the fight? i find your example a bit curious, b/c you state that we should try to treat the root of a problem and not it's symptoms, but don't you think it can be argued that the root in this case is the merican consumer creating a market for drugs, and the farmers are just a symptom of that demand? subsidize the columbians and drugs will start pouring in from some other country, yeah? just a thought.

oh and as per your sig, in nearly all cases, someone falling into a bottemless pit would die of thirst before starvation.

yes i know that people die of thirst before starvation...it's not my quote and i decided not to change it to satisfy the technicality police. :dozey:

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like i said...A+B

of course the real problem is american society creating a market for drugs. i haven't forgotten that. I'm just using the war on drugs to illustrate that people do stupid things to fight problems instead of actually solving them.

if i started arguing about american society and drugs, people wouldn't listen because they already have an opinion about that. most people don't already have an opinion about colombian farmers.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
lol i'm going for a batchelor of science buddy, but i guess i'm taking the easy road with biology, physics, chemistry and calculus, as well as working in the army reserves. U however dont seem to mention anything about yur own life because the fact is u dont have anything to show for the opinions u hold.

i dont see it fit to mention what i do on this forum. it wouldn't give me any satisfaction to know that i was respected on a forum because of what my job is. good for you though.
 
Edit: Nevermind, lol, odd that his sig is the exact same as TGS
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
im not going to answer every single question. because its me versus the world right now and it takes long enough to reply to the thousands of posts already.

A is ideal i admit. but B seems more realistic in the world we live in.


how about this. if you were microsoft right now and you could change what was to happen in the next few years. what would YOUR solution be to minimize piracy?
i'd buy out the farmers, then use their land to make one type of rather shitty crop which requires constant supervision to keep the bugs off of. it'd be easy to swallow, but it wouldn't taste very good (on account of the bugs), then i'd find a better looking crop and forget about the old one, letting the land go fallow, (edit) even though many people have come to depend on it b/c i also bought out all the other farms in the world too.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
A is ideal i admit. but B seems more realistic in the world we live in.

what don't you understand about A+B?

A is ideal, but a long term solution in most cases (which people like you don't have the patience for)

B is realistic, but doesn't solve the problem.

that's why you need BOTH. a short AND long-term solution. please stop implying that i'm some naive idealist. i'm the one who's being realistic here! you're trying to say that these band-aid solutions are the realistic ones. i'm saying you're wrong...they're not solutions...they're just treating the symptoms

(i now stop instead of repeating myself again)
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
i dont see it fit to mention what i do on this forum. it wouldn't give me any satisfaction to know that i was respected on a forum because of what my job is. good for you though.

lol the only reason u dont is because yur whole arguement would be thrown out the window because yur probably not hard working yurself.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
lol the only reason u dont is because yur whole arguement would be thrown out the window because yur probably not hard working yurself.

you still dont get it. i could easily say i work for a reputable company, working very hard. and i could get you off my back. why do you think i choose not to?
 
I agree, now we demand to know!!!

Age?

Occupation?
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
like i said before, were on a forum. you can't ask personal questions about someone and expect them to be truthful. but then some people are. any answer i give about the age question would be attacked, so i choose not to instigate that scenario and not to feed the trolls

The only reason your not answering is because you have no comparable life experiences to the majority of the posters here. If you did you wouldn't hesitate to step up and state your claim in society. Where there is evasion there is always a reason. Your not giving reasons, just excuses.

You can bandy around the notion of 'Hard work' all you want, but I doubt very much whether you've ever done a days work in your life,given how little you understand the principles of economy and the workings of industry.
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
The only reason your not answering is because you have no comparable life experiences to the majority of the posters here. If you did you wouldn't hesitate to step up and state your claim in society. Where there is evasion there is always a reason. Your not giving reasons, just excuses.

You can bandy around the notion of 'Hard work' all you want, but I doubt very much whether you've ever done a days work in your life,given how little you understand the principles of economy and the workings of industry.

you forget where you are. a forum. i can say i am whatever i want. you'll either believe me or you wont. so whats the point?
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
lol the only reason u dont is because yur whole arguement would be thrown out the window because yur probably not hard working yurself.

it's true...you label everyone else as college students or worse, yet you don't reveal what you do yourself...pretty lame, imo :\

i promise i won't attack you if you reveal what you do, but you're just making yourself look bad by constantly avoiding that question.

however, if you do reveal your occupation, we all reserve the right to discuss the ramifications of that information and how it pertains to your previous statements.
 
i need threads like this to get my post count up, i'm only ****ing combine for christ's sake!
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
you still dont get it. i could easily say i work for a reputable company, working very hard. and i could get you off my back. why do you think i choose not to?

because u'd be lying, if u did u'd tell us wouldn't u
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
you forget where you are. a forum. i can say i am whatever i want. you'll either believe me or you wont. so whats the point?

yet you choose to avoid...like polokov said, there is a reason.

we're all assuming it's because you're a telemarketer or a garbage man or something until you tell us otherwise!
 
Now you can't dissagree to that then, can you?

In my oppinion i think your moronic not to tell your age and what you do.


EDIT: Your priceless...
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
you forget where you are. a forum. i can say i am whatever i want. you'll either believe me or you wont. so whats the point?

Then you have nothing to loose by answering. :dozey:
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
yet you choose to avoid...like polokov said, there is a reason.

we're all assuming it's because you're a telemarketer or a garbage man or something until you tell us otherwise!

how about an emu farmer?
 
At this rate I think well have to start a Poll to get everyones opinions as to Poseys 'Profession' :dozey:
 
It might be, but i doubt he could have made that avatar... unless one of his assistants did :p
 
or maybe he's bill gates! that would explain alot too....

EDIT: perhaps the alien that runs microsft?
 
Or barnie!? "Now comman kids lets all love eachother!"
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
or maybe he's bill gates! that would explain alot too....

EDIT: perhaps the alien that runs microsft?

He's probably Minibill
 
haha i think he left. I remember him quoting before "put up or shut up." I'm guessing now that we wanted to know his occupation he couldn't put up.
 
yeah, if i were posey i'd feel pretty ****ing special right about now.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
haha i think he left. I remember him quoting before "put up or shut up." I'm guessing now that we wanted to know his occupation he couldn't put up.
nah, he's just sittin' back and enjoying the show
 
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