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Originally posted by poseyjmac
look at it from a companies perspective.
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so um, which company would that be anyway? real networks? netscape perhaps? oh wait.. microsoft! duh!

edit: do i have to sit down again?
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
ah copying my trend.. i had suspsected you were a trend follower.

businesses will only go out of business if they refuse to support an MS os.
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so once again we're at the debate of microsoft taking control. So people have to go along with what microsoft says or face going broke. So perhaps they are taking control? U've contradicted yourself as u said earlier it wasn't a "conspiracy for world domination" or something along those lines. And i'm not a trend follower buddy, i was just showing u how pointless yur repeating yourself was. Quit trying to degrade me by calling me a pirate. What difference does it make on my opinion on whether or not i have mp3 files from kazaa on my comp.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
MS isn't a person, its a company. and i never said companies were evil. sit down
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hahaha omg posey, companies aren't run by aliens, u see, this might shock u but... ummm people run companies.
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
so um, which company would that be anyway? real networks? netscape perhaps? oh wait.. microsoft! duh!
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no, son. any company that wants to be shielded by MS's security in the coming year and wants to make more money.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
hahaha omg posey, companies aren't run by aliens, u see, this might shock u but... ummm people run companies.
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can you prove they arent run by aliens?
 
I've pirated software, plain and simple.
I don't pirate much, and have bought 90% of the software I own. But to suggest that I have to shell out more cash than I make in a year to pay for various software suites so that I can learn to use them for my own projects is insane. These programs were not meant to be bought by individuals, rather by large companies.
There are two sides to this issue posey, and to suggest that there isn't is asinine. What MS may attempt to do will infringe of the digital rights of millions, and create serious issues involving the freedom of information. People have been fighting this battle on legal fronts for years to ensure something like this doesn't happen, and not just so they can pirate software.
This is a real issue, and threatens the very reasons we believe in the potential of the internet and computers in general.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
no, son. any company that wants to be shielded by MS's security in the coming year and wants to make more money.
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ah progress through conformity. thank god, i finally have a use for this emoticon! thank you posey!!!

:borg::borg::borg:

yay!!!
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
so once again we're at the debate of microsoft taking control. So people have to go along with what microsoft says or face going broke. So perhaps they are taking control? U've contradicted yourself as u said earlier it wasn't a "conspiracy for world domination" or something along those lines. And i'm not a trend follower buddy, i was just showing u how pointless yur repeating yourself was. Quit trying to degrade me by calling me a pirate. What difference does it make on my opinion on whether or not i have mp3 files from kazaa on my comp.
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because knowing that you are a pirate lets me understand what blindspots you hold on this subject.

if im a software company im going to release apps and we want to make money. what would i want to do.

1. make sure its supported in the most widely used platform
2. take anti-piracy measures for maximal profits

i can take care of both of these by working with MS on it for longhorn support. why WOULDNT i do that?

pirates reply: because MS are nazis and are evil!
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
no i think neutrino was right, it was a joke.
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That doesn't make him any less of a dork.
You've seen his previous posts in this thread.

An ignorant dork even.
 
Originally posted by Maskirovka
of course it won't happen...of course you're right. people don't want to solve the problem of piracy, they just want to punish the people who do it, which is retarded. you need to do both...punish,prevent AND solve.

they're just doing the first two.
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what is sad about this thread is that what Maskirovka has stated is gonna get/ is getting lost somewhere deep in this thread.. using Poseyjmac's fav word... these software companies are too "lazy" to punish, prevent and solve..

anyway.. i wondering about this conviency factor that has been brought up in discussion a few times... in all the years i have used a computer, never have i thought of pirating software as convienent.. for me personally its always been around money.. i don't for understand how pirating being convienent is a dominate reason why software is pirated..

money is the dominate reason for piracy... and we can sit and discuss life and why money is an use, but that just goes offtopic.

the fact is money is and always will be an issue.. especially when u talk about software piracy.. the fact that when a person pirates a copy of <insert program/game here> is convienent is just another secondary that just happens to be present.. does convienency outweigh the money factor? in the majority of the cases.. probably not..

i don't see why a person would still pirate a program because its "convienent" if he has the cash to just go buy it.. but thats just me.. probably because money has always been a factor for me personally.
 
I think a post with that pic of the retard running through the finish line is in order here.
 
Originally posted by Direwolf
I've pirated software, plain and simple.
I don't pirate much, and have bought 90% of the software I own. But to suggest that I have to shell out more cash than I make in a year to pay for various software suites so that I can learn to use them for my own projects is insane. These programs were not meant to be bought by individuals, rather by large companies.
There are two sides to this issue posey, and to suggest that there isn't is asinine. What MS may attempt to do will infringe of the digital rights of millions, and create serious issues involving the freedom of information. People have been fighting this battle on legal fronts for years to ensure something like this doesn't happen, and not just so they can pirate software.
This is a real issue, and threatens the very reasons we believe in the potential of the internet and computers in general.
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and if you read all my posts ive talked about both sides and realize the negative impacts of what MS going to do. but like i said before its the lesser of two evils.

MS regards the working class citizen higher than a college student. because a working class citizen contributes to the economy.

of course some college students will object because they only care about themselves. well if they want the training, they can get it if they apply themselves. i dont feel any pity for a student that says its impossible to progress in their career path without pirating software. he/she is just weak
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
because knowing that you are a pirate lets me understand what blindspots you hold on this subject.

if im a software company im going to release apps and we want to make money. what would i want to do.

1. make sure its supported in the most widely used platform
2. take anti-piracy measures for maximal profits

i can take care of both of these by working with MS on it for longhorn support. why WOULDNT i do that?

pirates reply: because MS are nazis and are evil!
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so do you like the idea of monopolies? you do understand that that's where this is headed right? the real arguement in poseys favor is that directx is microsoft's API, so why shouldn't they be able to do what they want with it? wait, what are we talking about anyway?
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
and if you read all my posts ive talked about both sides and realize the negative impacts of what MS going to do. but like i said before its the lesser of two evils.

MS regards the working class citizen higher than a college student. because a working class citizen contributes to the economy.

of course some college students will object because they only care about themselves. well if they want the training, they can get it if they apply themselves. i dont feel any pity for a student that says its impossible to progress in their career path without pirating software. he/she is just weak
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I don't pity anyone that can afford a computer.
 
Hehe...I think you're right iamironsam.
Posy: You're accusing pirates of having a blindspot towards certain issues. You seem to have a blindspot when in comes to pirates. 99% of people on this forum have pirated something. They are neither lazy, immoral, unintelligent, or 13. There are other issues at work here, and you have to accept it.
Edit: Just read your most recent post. I'm done with this argument. Posy has began to act like a total asinine zealot, and I don't think theres any hope for him anymore. I'm majorly pissed that anyone can be so incredibly thickheaded and ignorant. :flame:
 
Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
i don't for understand how pirating being convienent is a dominate reason why software is pirated..
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that is the second most awesome sentance ever.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Freeman

i don't see why a person would still pirate a program because its "convienent" if he has the cash to just go buy it.. but thats just me.. probably because money has always been a factor for me personally.
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theres an example right here in this thread. forgot his name, but he said hed rather buy beer than software cause you can't pirate beer(well, as easily as software). and there are many like him.
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
hmm, well if they go out of business then -JOBS, but MS can expand into their space and then +JOBS.. stick with the monopoly thing, the jobs arguement doesn't hold water.
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Jobs are created by markets not by profits, because companies speculate upon a return. Your market research shows that there is a possible market for a product or a venture, therefore you develop a product that caters to that market. If your lucky the product sells, in which case you've developed a user base. 6 months down the line a rival company will develop a similar product, and suddenly you've got competition. Competition is good for the consumer, but not for the manufacturer, because means that instead of all retiring to tropical islands, they have to develop better products. Competition from a consumers viewpoint is a good thing, whilst a lack of competition leads to compacency by manufacturers 'I'm number one, why should I try harder'. As companies gain market monopolies their standards invariably slip.

Quark have dominated the DTP market for over ten years, to the point of saturation, and as as their dominance has gone on, their customer service record has plummetted. With their latest version (6) , they aren't even guaranteeing backwards compatibility with version 4 documents. And we are talking about a near 2 grand per unit package here :dozey:
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
And we are talking about a neat 2 grad per unit package here :dozey:
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well my "unit package" will only cost you $2 an hour. $3 on a slow night.


maskirovka: hahahahaahahah, nice :thumbs: i should have thought of that..
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
well my "unit package" will only cost you $2 an hour. $3 on a slow night.
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Your bosses are shipping you cheap timmy. I hope you get good medical and pension with that.:rolling:
 
Originally posted by Kadayi Polokov
Your bosses are shipping you cheap timmy. I hope you get good medical and pension with that.:rolling:
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They just send his skank ass to Planned Parenthood every month.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
because knowing that you are a pirate lets me understand what blindspots you hold on this subject.

if im a software company im going to release apps and we want to make money. what would i want to do.

1. make sure its supported in the most widely used platform
2. take anti-piracy measures for maximal profits

i can take care of both of these by working with MS on it for longhorn support. why WOULDNT i do that?

pirates reply: because MS are nazis and are evil!
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ah i c, so u've got divine vision of all knowing... its so frustrating to read your posts, you use all these stupid gimmicks like avoiding the age issue firstly, now u've figure out a way to get out of saying microsoft "isn't evil even tho people are" by saying u were talking about the company not people, which is infact run by people, so now to avoid it u start asking me to prove its not run by aliens. U were telling polikov earlier to state reason for an explanation or no one would take him seriously, yet here u are saying "prove microsoft isn't run by aliens" Thats like the 3rd of 4th time you've contradicted yourself. U keep doing it over and over again. U got absolutely 0 understanding of this issue and are making everyone else suffer by reading yur long and pointless posts.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
ah i c, so u've got divine vision of all knowing... its so frustrating to read your posts, you use all these stupid gimmicks like avoiding the age issue firstly, now u've figure out a way to get out of saying microsoft "isn't evil even tho people are" by saying u were talking about the company not people, which is infact run by people, so now to avoid it u start asking me to prove its not run by aliens. U were telling polikov earlier to state reason for an explanation or no one would take him seriously, yet here u are saying "prove microsoft isn't run by aliens" Thats like the 3rd of 4th time you've contradicted yourself. U keep doing it over and over again. U got absolutely 0 understanding of this issue and are making everyone else suffer by reading yur long and pointless posts.
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If you're trying to convey your seniority over the internet, avoid the use of "u" in place of "you". Just a suggestion.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
and if you read all my posts ive talked about both sides and realize the negative impacts of what MS going to do. but like i said before its the lesser of two evils.

MS regards the working class citizen higher than a college student. because a working class citizen contributes to the economy.

of course some college students will object because they only care about themselves. well if they want the training, they can get it if they apply themselves. i dont feel any pity for a student that says its impossible to progress in their career path without pirating software. he/she is just weak
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so i guess everybody should just skip college and go straight to the working force? if so, we'd have a world full of uneducated people such as yourself.
 
Originally posted by iamironsam
If you're trying to convey your seniority over the internet, avoid the use of "u" in place of "you". Just a suggestion.
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cut him some slack, he's canadian.
 
Originally posted by iamironsam
If you're trying to convey your seniority over the internet, avoid the use of "u" in place of "you". Just a suggestion.
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maybe yur name should be IamIronSam then? its faster to type that way, i'm not trying to convey seniority either here. But thx for the english tips.
 
Originally posted by poseyjmac
and the answer to your pasted essay is B. because humans inherently are evil and act like children, so they must be TREATED like children. why does no one whine about police officers? they are around so people dont do 'chilidish' things. humans have proven themselves to be untrustworthy so they will lose more freedoms for the sake of hard working citizens.
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Originally posted by poseyjmac
MS isn't a person, its a company. and i never said companies were evil. sit down
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Originally posted by Neutrino
Oh, and what, in your all knowing wisdom, are companies made up of?
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well posey, i'll give you points for being interesting.

interesting in how you seem to answer the questions you feel like answering...and ignoring others or referring to "aliens"

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but back to the point of my giant post.

you just proved it. you're one of the people who believe in option B. Therefore you wouldn't read my book. meaning you won't subscribe to my way of thinking. I can't do anything to "convert" you to see that A, and more realistically, A+B is a better way of doing things.

do you honestly think that the best way to solve problems is to treat people like children? you don't think that trying to solve the root of a problem while doing something about the immediate symptoms is a bad idea do you? you lump all people into a group by saying "humans inherently are evil and act like children"

well, you're a human. (unless you're an alien who runs microsoft!!) are you inherently evil? is every single human inherently evil? if you do, you're in one group, and i'm in another. that's why there are republicans and democrats...there are two groups of people. those who believe that humans are inherently evil and those who think they're neutral until proven otherwise.

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seriously...let's expand on my colombia example a bit.

millions of our tax dollars go to helping the colombians fight the war on drugs in their country. we send them arms, helicopters, etc.

almost all of the farmers know that their coca crop is turned into a harmful substance that the US tries to eradicate. they would rather grow coffee, but coca makes them about 4 times more money. not to mention that coffee takes a lot more labor.

.............

Solution A: subsidize coffee production so that farmers get about the same benefit from growing coffee as growing coca.

Solution B: use tax money to bulid cropduster planes. the colombians then use those planes to find and destroy coca crops in hopes that farmers will stop growing coca to sell to the drug manufacturers.

............

the US government has chosen solution B. piss off the farmers by spraying chemicals all over their farms (and their houses and areas where children play). the farmers are just trying to have a good life. even those who grow coca are still poor even by colombian standards.

besides that, THE DRUG TRADE ISN'T SLOWING DOWN. PEOPLE STILL USE COCAINE.

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i just don't see how that is any kind of solution...cropdusting...why not solve the real problem? the farmers grow coca because they are poor. help them to grow something besides coca plants.

and that's how method B works...you try to take away the bad choice (growing coca)

seems pretty stupid to me.
 
Microsoft looks out for college students. My Computer Science buddies all have $100 copies of MS Visual C++ .NET Student Edition. Though I'm pretty sure only a couple of them actually paid for it.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
maybe yur name should be IamIronSam then? its faster to type that way, i'm not trying to convey seniority either here. But thx for the english tips.
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No, it should be IAmIronSam.
 
Originally posted by JonTheCanuck
ah i c, so u've got divine vision of all knowing... its so frustrating to read your posts, you use all these stupid gimmicks like avoiding the age issue firstly, now u've figure out a way to get out of saying microsoft "isn't evil even tho people are" by saying u were talking about the company not people, which is infact run by people, so now to avoid it u start asking me to prove its not run by aliens. U were telling polikov earlier to state reason for an explanation or no one would take him seriously, yet here u are saying "prove microsoft isn't run by aliens" Thats like the 3rd of 4th time you've contradicted yourself. U keep doing it over and over again. U got absolutely 0 understanding of this issue and are making everyone else suffer by reading yur long and pointless posts.
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divine vision? no its called profiling.

like i said before, were on a forum. you can't ask personal questions about someone and expect them to be truthful. but then some people are. any answer i give about the age question would be attacked, so i choose not to instigate that scenario and not to feed the trolls

polkavich will make a brief post and say i contradicted myself. without providing proof which is available in this very thread. this is cut and dry

on the otehr hand, you claimed that MS was not run by aliens. but you have no proof of this. so i said to prove it. no contradictions here

and if you are suffering, by all means, leave the thread. go download another expensive app and ease your mind as you screw hard working citizens out of their money
 
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