Do you believe in an "afterlife"?

Arsehole? I'm not the jacktard calling people abnormal because they don't believe in an afterlife.
 
Hey, cool it. No need to flame or insult anyone here; infactions will follow if it continues.
 
Absinthe said:
Arsehole? I'm not the jacktard calling people abnormal because they don't believe in an afterlife.
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Are you still dwelling on that? He said you were abnormal for finding comfort in knowing there is no afterlife, not because you didn't believe in it. Most people would be calmed by the knowledge that they won't just stop existing when they die, not the other way around. I don't think there's a place for being defensive and condescending in a healthy debate..
 
Muffin Man said:
Are you still dwelling on that? He said you were abnormal for finding comfort in knowing there is no afterlife, not because you didn't believe in it. Most people would be calmed by the knowledge that they won't just stop existing when they die, not the other way around. I don't think there's a place for being defensive and condescending in a healthy debate..
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exactly
 
Muffin Man said:
Are you still dwelling on that? He said you were abnormal for finding comfort in knowing there is no afterlife, not because you didn't believe in it. Most people would be calmed by the knowledge that they won't just stop existing when they die, not the other way around. I don't think there's a place for being defensive and condescending in a healthy debate..
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Bingo.

Save personal insults for the Politics forum.
 
Muffin Man said:
Are you still dwelling on that? He said you were abnormal for finding comfort in knowing there is no afterlife, not because you didn't believe in it. Most people would be calmed by the knowledge that they won't just stop existing when they die, not the other way around. I don't think there's a place for being defensive and condescending in a healthy debate..
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So he made a straw man. Awesome.
 
zomg 6 pages......

Uh... I am comforted by the fact that I won't exist after I die. Am I abnormal?
It's percectly logical, once you die your consciousness ceases to exist. Simple. I don't believe in magic, I do not have the mind of a 5 year old.
If you cease to exist once you die you have nothing to worry about. At all. You wont exist!!! How can it not make sense?!
 
Shift said:
dont start... -.-
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Heaven - People can't live in the clouds, they are just water vapor, there isn't a heaven or hell, it's stupid.

Reincarnation - Nice idea, this seems the most logical to me, but the reason I don't believe it is that more and more people are being born each day, what about when life was first created, like 100 people, now we've got 6 billion? Where did it all come from, eh?

Ghosts - This would be stupid, after everyone who's ever died, the earth would be so unbelievably crowded with ghosts, you wouldn't be able to move when you die..

Nothing - You just rot in the ground and cease to exist, you can't think about it, because you don't know what it'll be like, but it happens.

That's what I think!
 
bvasgm said:
No, I don't.

To me, the thought of simply ceasing to exist after you die is sort of comforting in a way.
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I see your point but doesn't beliving in heaven and living eternally comfort you even more?
 
NightBlade said:
I see your point but doesn't beliving in heaven and living eternally comfort you even more?
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Trying to force yourself into believing lies as a sole source of possible comfort doesn't sound pleasant.
 
Cave Canem said:
Reincarnation - Nice idea, this seems the most logical to me, but the reason I don't believe it is that more and more people are being born each day, what about when life was first created, like 100 people, now we've got 6 billion? Where did it all come from, eh?
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You're only really applying that to humans.
 
ok... If we are talking about even cells, there are infinite cells, and it's the exact same point I made in my previous post but with higher numbers...
 
"I do not fear death, I was dead for billions of years before I was born and suffered none the worse for it".
 
The living having a debate about an afterlife, I love how useless this is.
 
Solaris said:
"I do not fear death, I was dead for billions of years before I was born and suffered none the worse for it".
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nice quote :D

You know, things said on here have been playing on my mind all day and i actually see sense in a lot of the strict atheist's views on here, and that quote basically somes up what i would have said now lol. I mean ok, i dont see comfort in having a permenant off state with no way of returning, but now i dont actually fear that idea, because when it happens, it happens, we dont know that its happening because our consciousness doesn't exist anymore, i mean for our concious minds, its mental because the mind simply cannot comprehend it, its waaaaay beyond i field of understanding.

Now i think my final view of 'afterlife' is that i really do not know what happens. Maybe nothing happens, and if thats the case then so be it, thats just the way it is. But maybe there is an afterlife and our concious self is merely projected onto a physical body with use of the brain, and once the physical body dies, the 'soul' if you will survives for enternity, either in this divine place called heaven or reincarnated so many years later.

As far as i am concerned, to bring facts into a dicussion on the afterlife is just pointless because we dont and will never know what happens after death until it happens to us. All we know is the physical mind cannot survive after death, but i see there is plenty of crazy things that happen now and in history that do enough to open the idea that there is something more than just the life we live now, truthly, i would prefer the latter and i think everyone would, but unless we ourselves die and then return to life after so many minutes and we see something we couldn't explain like ourselves floating floating over our physical body before returning or seeing this supposid bright light at the end of the tunnel, then thats enough convince the person it happened to at least, that there is more than just our physical beings.
 
Shift said:
but unless we ourselves die and then return to life after so many minutes and we see something we couldn't explain like ourselves floating floating over our physical body before returning or seeing this supposid bright light at the end of the tunnel, then thats enough convince the person it happened to at least, that there is more than just our physical beings.
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Actually that wouldn't convince me as many of these things, as pointed out, prove to fakes, simply the mind, and unless mine couldn't be disproven then it might convince me.
 
Yeah... out of body experiences and white lights aren't really substantial in any way. People all too often underestimate the power of the mind to severely warp and fabricate its perception.
 
Absinthe said:
Yeah... out of body experiences and white lights aren't really substantial in any way.
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I think you are wrong to pass off OBE?s purely as hallucinations, wishful thinking or both! It?s my opinion that these people have either had a small glimpse of an afterlife or more worryingly life support is reporting a patient dead when in fact the brain is still active.

Just think, you may be clinically dead tripping away inside your head until the mortician comes along to whip your brain out for the daily guess the weight competition.

Ouch!
 
riomhaire said:
Worst arguement agaist heaven, ever.
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Eh, I guess I was off key, I can't prove it doesn't exist, but no one can prove it does exist, we'll all know when we die, I suppose.

Still, if I had to choose an afterlife, other then nothing, it'd be reincarnation.

Also, I didn't think about the ghosts not being limited to earth thing, it seems alot more logical now, actually.
 
When you think about it, reincarnation will be just like nothing happening to our current mindset, because we wont remember anything of this current life. If reincarnation is what happens, we could have had louds of previous lifes, but simply have no memory of them.
 
Well I think that while I'm alive the after life dosent affect me (if there is one), and (if there is one) once I'm dead I wont be able to do anything to affect what its like, so its really not worth worrying about until you're dead, in which case all the worrying in the world will do you no good.

It might be there, it might not. No one can prove conclusivly either way, so I just dont bother getting worked up about it.
 
Read this book the other day published by some leading physologist investigating the afterlife, basically he includes how bunch of people who were clinically dead went to and saw other places, like themselves looking at themselves attempting to be resussitated, and seeing places of unbelievable light, some people hearing a calm voice in their thoughts telling them that it isn't their time, some people claiming that it was like they were in a undescribable classroom or libary type place, and it was if all of a sudden they knew everything about the universe, life, everything, all cases explained about seeing all the main parts in their life as if they were there again, that they could feel and see everything that was happening in these parts of life.

There have been many cases of people being put into what was claimed 'unsurvival' situations, but they survived because of paranormal causes, like one worker who fell into a vat, had extremely hot steam flooding in under high pressure. He said he crawled into in a corner and faced it and the heat was swo unbearable he couldn't open his eyes, but an incredible light enter his very thoughts and he felt completely unafraid all of a sudden, he said the light was like nothing of this earth and that it was impossible because he was in a dark vat, but he said it led him out of the vat. When doctors examined him, they said he only suffered light burns when they said anyone would been scalded to death, the doctors also said he certainly would have been blinded but he had absultely no damage to the eyes, the doctors described this as not lucky, but surreal.

All people claimed it was so real it was like they were there when alive, they could see, feel, hear everything that was going on, they said when describing these things they reall could only talk metaphorically because it was like they could not describe it in detail to which we would understand.

The doctor said that these cases seem to get more and more common, and that each of the case coinsides with the others, each person said they are 100% certain that is what they saw and felt, the doctors who operated on them said that they declared clinically dead before they were resussitated, in many cases, people who had uncureable illness when these occurances happened, defined the odds and survived the illnesses, most were told by a comforting voice that it was not their time yet.

This is just breifly, and it was a small book because it was a follow up from his previous main book, many leading logicalists and doctors apparantly read the book and found it very interesting.

Now these occurances could not have been trickery by the brain as they claimed that these visions etc happened after they were clinically dead, to which the brain was 'off' if you will, and each one does now not fear death and were certain that is what they saw, seems far too much detail in their descriptions so i can believe them. There were actually many cross-references to Biblical analogues which was interesting.

Was a very interesting read, and it really has opened up new trains thoughts on the afterlife for myself but like marley said, no point looking into and discussing it for yonks because when alive, then this afterlife (if it exists) does not affect our current existance. So ill lead a moral life, have a blast, and wait and see.
 
Shift said:
Read this book the other day published by some leading physologist investigating the afterlife, basically he includes how bunch of people who were clinically dead went to and saw other places, like themselves looking at themselves attempting to be resussitated, and seeing places of unbelievable light, some people hearing a calm voice in their thoughts telling them that it isn't their time, some people claiming that it was like they were in a undescribable classroom or libary type place, and it was if all of a sudden they knew everything about the universe, life, everything, all cases explained about seeing all the main parts in their life as if they were there again, that they could feel and see everything that was happening in these parts of life.
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How long were these people dead for? There is still 15-20 min of neural activity in the brain after one dies.
 
it's funny how in every single near death experience not one person ever sees the fires of hell at the end of the tunnel..it's always the pearly gates ...seems more wishful thinking than anything else. I mean if you accept heaven you must accept hell ..and according to the bibles most people are going to hell
 
Actually one game who apparantly led a grim life had the main point of life shown before him, and he said every bad thing and bad decision was made was shown in front of him, and he could feel the torment of it, and it was the worse feeling he had ever felt. This person had been shot point blank in the chest twice (didn't say why but apparantly he did serve a prison sentence after he got out of hospital), when he got out of prison he had the incredible urge to change his life, and apparantly he would let know one stop him, as if he was horrified of the experiance, the doctor surfaced an idea that from the one this person was describing this, it was if this was something worse than hell. That if you spend your life doing unspeakable things, and i mean mass murdering here, then this scenerio many people went through is a hell to experiance, like they experiance the pain they caused to many at the same time.

and good point brink, but i doubt the brain is alive enough once the body is dead to generate something as extreme as these people felt.

I am talking from a fully unbiased viewpoint here just to let ya know :D
 
CptStern said:
it's funny how in every single near death experience not one person ever sees the fires of hell at the end of the tunnel..it's always the pearly gates ...seems more wishful thinking than anything else. I mean if you accept heaven you must accept hell ..and according to the bibles most people are going to hell
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That is untrue; BBC News 24 had a short story of a man who had a cardiac arrest in a hospital. When he was revived he was screaming and panicking saying "Please don't let me go back" etc etc. He believed he witnessed hell and I'm guessing he is now repenting like a rabbit on heat.

I WILL NOT GO TO HELL, I REPENT!

:angel:
 
Near-death experiences are not credible. Let's stop pretending.
 
CptStern said:
it's funny how in every single near death experience not one person ever sees the fires of hell at the end of the tunnel..it's always the pearly gates ...seems more wishful thinking than anything else. I mean if you accept heaven you must accept hell ..and according to the bibles most people are going to hell
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A new thought among theologians is that while Hell exists, there is no one actually in it.
 
DeusExMachina said:
A new thought among theologians is that while Hell exists, there is no one actually in it.
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ah rewriting things to suit the current times ..where have I heard that one before? ;)



but that would lead to some humourous situations:

"wha? no hell, you mean throughout my entire life I've restrained myself from having sex with strangers, partaking in drunken debauchery, refrained from using the lords name in vain and now you tell me there is no hell? I could have gotten naked with two cheerleaders during college ffs think of all the opportunities for masterbation RUINED because of fear of hell ..dammit!! ..I cant even kill myself cuz I'M ALREADY DEAD. ..DAMN YOU JEBUS, DAMN YOU"
 
Absinthe said:
Near-death experiences are not credible. Let's stop pretending.
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They still happen, regulary, the reason this physhologist gave, is that in a lot of cases, people dont talk about the experiance if it happened to them, that its really hard to get people to talk about these experiance in a lot cases, so conclusively he was saying that there could a lot more cases then the hundreds he has looked at.

I mean yeah the odd couple of cases here and there you can rule it off, but this actually a lot more than people think, which, i think anyway, justifies why we should at least strongly consider that there could be an afterlife. I think a huge number of cases like these do produce evidence that there is more than just the physical body in people at least.

CptStern said:
ah rewriting things to suit the current times ..where have I heard that one before? ;)



but that would lead to some humourous situations:

"wha? no hell, you mean throughout my entire life I've restrained myself from having sex with strangers, partaking in drunken debauchery, refrained from using the lords name in vain and now you tell me there is no hell? I could have gotten naked with two cheerleaders during college ffs think of all the opportunities for masterbation RUINED because of fear of hell ..dammit!! ..I cant even kill myself cuz I'M ALREADY DEAD. ..DAMN YOU JEBUS, DAMN YOU"
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looool
 
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