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Gabe Newell on PS3: "just cancel it and do a do over"
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Please stamp idiot over your face 10 times over, and perhaps then your post will begin to make some sort of sense. Don't be a moron, bad for the health.
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I really love these debates, grade A hilarity if you ask me. Give the damn thing a year or two before claiming it's a complete failure. Frankly your setting the criteria to low for complete failure. Complete failure would result in the PS3 being canned which hasn't and won't happen due to Sony being so fricken massive one loss of money doesn't hurt it too much.
Fair enough you don't like the console. Fair enough you'll bash it when some random developer (okay not so random here) rants about it being shit because it's moved away from standard tech (standard tech being easier to develop for). The best thing you can do is not buy one and many of you haven't and wouldn't even think of doing so. Lest you all be boosting your e-penis by agreeing with each other for no apparent reason. Yes pretty much everyone here hates it whoopy.
Insert console hate title here.
"I think it sucks."
"Yes."
"Yeah."
"I think it's good."
"Kill him."
"Devour his soul."
etc
/rant
And I'm a PC fanboy wtf am I posting about this anyway?
Fair enough you don't like the console. Fair enough you'll bash it when some random developer (okay not so random here) rants about it being shit because it's moved away from standard tech (standard tech being easier to develop for). The best thing you can do is not buy one and many of you haven't and wouldn't even think of doing so. Lest you all be boosting your e-penis by agreeing with each other for no apparent reason. Yes pretty much everyone here hates it whoopy.
Insert console hate title here.
"I think it sucks."
"Yes."
"Yeah."
"I think it's good."
"Kill him."
"Devour his soul."
etc
/rant
And I'm a PC fanboy wtf am I posting about this anyway?
Sony lost a lot of ground the mp3 market by forcing their own coding system on people. PS3 is a lot like that in respects. It's got to be coded for in a new (and frankly not that easy) way. Last time it backfired on Sony, so why will this be different?
Well PS3 has brand loyalty. Clearly, considering that very few ps3's are out and nearly no games, people are still defending it to the hilt more or less based on the PS2 and what Sony have said. Thing is, Sony have a track record for blatently lying, so it's more to do with the PS2 being a good system.
Sony forcing people to learn a new coding system is going to work one of two ways. Either it will go like the ATRAC with people rejecting it in loads or it will work.
Gabes decided that it's not worth the effort.
Well PS3 has brand loyalty. Clearly, considering that very few ps3's are out and nearly no games, people are still defending it to the hilt more or less based on the PS2 and what Sony have said. Thing is, Sony have a track record for blatently lying, so it's more to do with the PS2 being a good system.
Sony forcing people to learn a new coding system is going to work one of two ways. Either it will go like the ATRAC with people rejecting it in loads or it will work.
Gabes decided that it's not worth the effort.
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He doesn't mean that it is a failure from a sales-standpoint, Gabe knows better than this. He is talking about the PS3 as a gaming-machine, from both a developer and consumer standpoint. I thought this was pretty clear after reading the interview the first time.
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Well, the PS2 when it first came out, it too was also regarded as being hard to code for... and that turned out alright.
The PlayStation series has brand loyalty because they've consistently delivered in the games department and I don't see any amount of lying that will change that. Don't think the situation here is similar to the ATRAC one, the developers here just aren't used to PS3 yet, but give them time and they'll learn it. As to the people that say "The PC will be far superior spec wise in X years", well that's obvious. But the thing is, PC games don't have anywhere near the efficiency of console games, as the developers have to make sure it's compatible across a wide range of systems. Consoles on the other hand, can squeeze a helluva lot more out of the given specs. Then there's also the price factor, if you want to be able to consistently play PC games are maximum graphics... well you're going to have to upgrade your PC consistently and that will cost quite a bit of dough. I don't want to keep rambling on about PC vs Console as there's far too many points / issues so I'll stop here.
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Right. Because if Gabe Newell says something bad and 10 other developers say the opposite, those 10 must be wrong.
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Right now I've only heard Kojima and Yosuke Hayashi give it some praise. Nothing incredible, but they basically just reiterated that it'll take a while until the hardware is understood, but that it will happen and the ones who do it will be rewarded accordingly.
Yosuke Hayashi is the main guy behind the port of NG to the PS3.
edit: I haven't heard anyone straight out bash the system from a development standpoint. I suppose Newell meant the system was a failure in general, which I still would disagree with, but I could see where hes coming from.
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I've seen lots of developers (and I don't mean studio heads - actual in-the-trenches coders) slamming it. Of course, this was all in non-public forums, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
I have no doubt that it will ultimately work out ok, but so far Sony can only be awarded a big fat zero for their efforts.
I have no doubt that it will ultimately work out ok, but so far Sony can only be awarded a big fat zero for their efforts.
lol is ze made^^
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Or you could buy a graphics card in 6 months time for alf the price that will surpass the PS3's graphics in every single way.
Well, the PS2 when it first came out, it too was also regarded as being hard to code for... and that turned out alright.
As to the people that say "The PC will be far superior spec wise in X years", well that's obvious. But the thing is, PC games don't have anywhere near the efficiency of console games, as the developers have to make sure it's compatible across a wide range of systems. Consoles on the other hand, can squeeze a helluva lot more out of the given specs. Then there's also the price factor, if you want to be able to consistently play PC games are maximum graphics... well you're going to have to upgrade your PC consistently and that will cost quite a bit of dough. I don't want to keep rambling on about PC vs Console as there's far too many points / issues so I'll stop here.
While I agree in principle I always found that the console started out more powerful and after about 2 years top line PCs were equal to the task, after another 2 years the console is about as powerful as the baseline gaming PC.
the PS3 is already equaled by top of the line PCs. So if trends are anything to go by, in 2 years time the PS3 will be equal to baseline gaming PCs. Now this doesn't really mean a huge deal.
However I will point out I've seen nothing exclusively on the PS3 that looks up to the task of taking on Crysis. I admit I've not actually been looking very hard.
Bottom line is the PS3, if it's a failure, it's not actually for what it is, but how Sony has handeled the situation. When the 360 was making leaps and bounds to blur the boundry between computer and console, PS3 was wandering off on its own, making it harder for programers and essentially telling them to 'shove it'. And I think it's fair to say that Sony has been, at the very least, bumbled from one PR nightmare to the next.
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Thats what I mean. You might as well get that. The only thing the PS3 has going for it are exclusives, adn I'm really not bothered. There are plenty of other games out there.
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yes because that's exactly what Samon was saying :upstare: ...sorry but your statement (especially that laziness was a motivating factor) is idiotic ..dont get mad at him for calling you on your irrational statement
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IMO the PS3 launch, Sony's overall attitude and their damage control to the misery they've heaped upon themselves have been laughable in an enjoyable sort of way. I have no allegiance to any particular machine because... it's a machine. My only problem with the PS3 is that I haven't seen 1 single game that interests me in any way shape or form.
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My brother owns a PS2 and the only games we have for it are the .hack series and Final Fantasy X. Point is I love those games. The same thing will happen there will be a few exclusive games you can't get elsewhere that simply own the competition at time of release.
lowest price $AUD I could find for an 8800GTX $899.00 GTS $740.00 Premium PS3 $999 Basic PS3 $829 You have me there. Keeping in mind that is ONE component and not an entire PC system.
And for the last time.
Graphics does not equal gameplay. I've seen way too many shitty PC tech demos as of late.
Ah I love this. I cannot find any game on the Xbox 360/Wii that warrants me buying either console. At the current time that is the same with the PS3 no game has won me over. Until such a time arises I'll stay away from the console market.
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Having what... 5 games? (or rather Two: One start-menu Sim they charged you for four times and another, slightly flashier start-menu Sim about a Wet Dream and his big fishy father). Isn't that indication enough that you've wasted money on an outdated console, let alone one retailing for the ridiculous price of the PS3? And even if you're set to add to that narrow quota, isn't that offset by the fact that PS2 emulation is on the verge of accurately emulating PS2 games?
I understand where you're coming from, but it's rather dependent on people with a LOT more money than sense. I'm not even going to splash out for a PSP, and that's got at least 5 games I'd love to add to my collection (Final Fantasy Tactics, MGS Portable Ops, Me and My Katamari, Loco Roco, the GTA games...). It's also the case that for every exclusive on the PS3, there will be exclusives on the Wii and 360. So what are we to do, own them all, just because of our latent urges to get something we can only get in one place?
lol Final Fantasy Ten.
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A full setup for the top-of-the-line PC that rivals the PS3 would cost a minimum of $2xxx? Taking into account, they might achieve similar specs, but the PS3 will definitely have a longer life-span (for games, not in terms of maintenance) and at a much reduced cost.
Crysis has some jaw dropping visuals, but really, the past Far Cry games were nothing short of above-average shooters with pretty graphics and until they prove themselves that they can make truly GREAT games, (Max Payne, FF, MGS, SoTC, Halo to some of you, GTA, etc etc.) I don't buy into the hype.
Right now, Sony's list of exclusives isn't too impressive (although MGS4 alone tops out the list of my most anticipated), you have to take into account that they will eventually announce the flagship titles. Square-Enix / Final Fantasy XIII, God of War 3, the team behind Shadow of the Collosus / Ico, Sony's Santa Monica Studios, Team SOHO, Naughty Dog / Jak 4, Gran Turismo 5, Insomniac / Ratchet & Clank: [insert innuendo] etc. Then you have countless borderline franchises like Motorstorm, Devil May Cry, Zone of Enders, Dragon Quest [whatever number it's on now], Ace Combat, etc. Then finally, Sony will almost definitely have a share of the best multi-console releases like RE5, GTA 4, and all the major Ubisoft / Rockstar titles.
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Well I didn't pay for them now did I? The only console I personally own and paid for is my PSP (used primarily for Lumines and emulating FF7 goodness). Sure consoles have their exclusives and that's usually what gives them the biggest boost in sales. Excluding a few rare cases they're usually nothing special though.
As I said PC fanboy.
If I really wanted and I couldn't be arsed at the moment I'd rather study, but I could afford a PS3 within a week. Some people work with less money and hence it's a bigger issue to them, but if your that much of a gamer you'll be shelling out more than $599 in the long run. I'm not going to compare them but Xbox live gold has a subscription fee which will rack up whilst the PS3's service does not. As I said no comparisons because one can easily argue by default one system is easier to work with in the networking department.
Bias is obvious but meh. I have nothing against Nintendo people love them. MS however can die in a fire.
Um, that's really unfair. With a PS3 or 360 you get a top of the line gaming system, not just one component. If you could take your 8800GT, plug it into a TV/Monitor, stick some games in it and play ... then that would be a valid argument. As it stands you have to support it with many other expensive parts so as not to bottleneck the whole thing.
The fact remains, even at $500 for a PS3, it's cheaper to game on consoles.
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All you need to do is stick the 8000 into adequate prexisting hardware, just like with any console.
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no it's not ..a run of the mill pc with onboard video could play hl2/wow and most games fairly decently ...but it can also do a shitload of other things like order you dinner or filing your taxes or buying a home or providing you with a steady pay cheque ..all for the price of a ps3. Sure I paid more for my pc than I would for a ps3 but you're using a pc to post this so until your ps3 has as much functionality as my pc it's a lopsided comparison
We were talking about for gaming benefit. I mean, for most practical purposes you're ok with a damn 386, but for games it is MUCH more expensive to go the PC route than console route. You could pay a few hundred and get a fully capable PC that does all you need. In order to play new games you have to spend thousands and even then it has a much shorter lifespan than a $500 PS3.
Not to mention the PS3 runs Linux, which comes pre-loaded with Firefox and OpenOffice. I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 years this version of the OS reaches the state where it is actually acceptable as a PC.
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The PS3 is stuck like it is though. It is already outdated, as Stern's post proves. Buying a console every 5 years might be cheaper, but upgrading your PC once or twice a year for about ?200 is so much more worth it. I haven't the last couple of years myself, so that's a bit hyppocrytical, but I noramlly do.
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What you don't already have one? You can't really use that argument as a T.V. is a large component of most people lounge-rooms and used for more than just playing the PS3.
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If you're going to talk about the gaming benefits, then don't bring up the PS3 = PC (in terms of all the non-gaming stuff) arguement.
/EDIT Lol, a PC is a large component of most people's houses and used for more than just gaming.
(This arguement is invalid)
I agree with Jintor, can't have it one way for the PS3 and the other for the PC.
The boundries between the console and PC are becoming blurred. I'd imagine that MS have thought about releasing a PC with 360 game ability, or a 360 with windows functionality. Next few generations on I'd bet on it.
The boundries between the console and PC are becoming blurred. I'd imagine that MS have thought about releasing a PC with 360 game ability, or a 360 with windows functionality. Next few generations on I'd bet on it.
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/EDIT Lol, a PC is a large component of most people's houses and used for more than just gaming.
Aye but for most people the crappy Dell/HP machine will do fine over the $5k gaming machine of doom.
