Iraq torture worse now than under Saddam

[kirovman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5368360.stm

Torture may be worse now in Iraq than under former leader Saddam Hussein, the UN's chief anti-torture expert says.

Manfred Nowak said the situation in Iraq was "out of control", with abuses being committed by security forces, militia groups and anti-US insurgents.

Bodies found in the Baghdad morgue "often bear signs of severe torture", said the human rights office of the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq in a report.

 

[Absinthe]

But kirovman! Is not Iraq a safer place now that Saddam is gone? Won't hope and democracy spring from the seeds planted, and young Iraqi girls and young Iraqi boys shall be able to frolick among the lilies?

 

[kirovman]

"We are suffering logistical problems with Freedoms, the terrorists hijacked our shipment of Freedoms in the Persian Gulf and scuttled the cargo ship transporting them"

 

[Absinthe]

So no frolicking?

 

[kirovman]

Doubt it... maybe a [Jackson] Pollocking?

 

[CptStern]

squiggles on canvas? I'm lost ..who's the bigger satan again? torture happy saddam? bible thumping pistolero bush or evil-doer pop 'n fresh?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Everone knows that the answer to that question is "all of the above".

I <3 Popnfresh though.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I dunno...Saddam's sons were up to some pretty vile sh1t with total immunity from the governing party. Torture is torture though, whether sanctioned by coalition leaders, the Baath party, or insurgent wildcards. Its all disgraceful and all it does is bring mankind another step closer to self-destruction. Things are getting sadder by the day....

 

[Arrowhead]

they're free, and freedom is beautiful. and uhhhhhhh.... you know, it'll take time, to restore chaos.... and order. but but but but.... we will.

 

[Nemesis6]

Iraq torture worse now than under Saddam

Torture may be worse now in Iraq than under former leader Saddam Hussein, the UN's chief anti-torture expert says.

What I deduce from observing those two things is that you blindly believe the U.N. Am I right or was it a slip-up?

 

[Ome_Vince]

correction, the UN's chief anti-torture expert
Well, i have no doubt the situation is similar to Saddams regime, its definatly what the neighbouring countries wanted => gives them a chance to found "very interesting states".
Iraq is now a battle-field of other countries foreign politics.
(involed: Syria, Iran, US, GB)

 

[Mechagodzilla]

What I deduce from observing those two things is that you blindly believe the U.N.

What I deduce is that you blindly distrust the U.N. - to which the United States is a member.

"The UN report says detainees' bodies often show signs of beating using electrical cables, wounds in heads and genitals, broken legs and hands, electric and cigarette burns.

Bodies found at the Baghdad mortuary "often bear signs of severe torture including acid-induced injuries and burns caused by chemical substances".

Many bodies have missing skin, broken bones, back, hands and legs, missing eyes, missing teeth and wounds caused by power drills or nails, the UN report says."

"Dur, I know more about torture than a TORTURE EXPERT. Obviously these claims are untrue!!!!1"

 

[Dog--]

pwnt

 

[Nemesis6]

I don't trust the U.N like you blindly do. Individual cases of torture aside, my point is that there's reasonable doubt. The report suggests it MAY be. Not that is IS. You're misconstruing it.

By the way, I can talk like an idiot, too, Cave Canem. Observe, and note the lack of capitalization, punctuation and expected intelligibility:


omfg all canadiens say eh(See, I can use acronyms, too!)

 

[Absinthe]

omfg all canadiens say eh(See, I can use acronyms, too!)

What in the blue blazing Hell are you going on about?

 

[Nemesis6]

Exactly!

 

[Absinthe]

No, I'm wondering how you managed to form a tangent off of the word "pwnt". And it wasn't even an acronym.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

pwnt




Also, this would crack me up if it weren't so pathietically sad:

Individual cases of torture aside...

What a great way to start a sentence!

"IF IT WEREN'T FOR ALL THE RAPE, VIOLATION WOULD BE AWESOME"

 

[Tr0n]

pwnt

 

[Absinthe]

no u

 

[Que-Ever]

Somebody just got their ass handed to them on a platter.

Which means pwnt, btw. omfg.

 

[Nemesis6]

And stupidity ensues.

 

[CptStern]

well then you should have no problem debunking what he's said ...or at the very least clarify/backtrack/fix what you've said

 

[Nemesis6]

Ok, I'll repeat my point then: The U.N's torture expert says that torture may be worse now than during the reign of Saddam. The thread title states that it IS.

 

[kirovman]

Now you're just arguing over semantics.

 

[Nemesis6]

I'm just pointing out something I felt was relevant. Someone saying that something MIGHT be something doesn't neccesarily mean it is.

 

[kirovman]

It doesn't change the fact that torture is going on, and on a massive scale.

The statement that it "may" be worse implies that it's pretty close to what it was before anyway, and possibly worse.

And in that case, where's this liberty and freedom that we hear so much about?

The title:

Iraq torture worse now than under Saddam

is what all of the newspapers are saying, and they aren't going to get sued for libel.

 

[Sulkdodds]

As I saw it the thread was just repeating the story's headline. Doesn't mean the author believes it (although I see little reason not to do so). It's being reported. Don't shoot the messenger.

In any case, the results of the report are surpising, sickening, but not wholly unexpected. Sigh.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Need I say pwnt?

Because I just did.

pwnt

 

[Que-Ever]

I'm just pointing out something I felt was relevant. Someone saying that something MIGHT be something doesn't neccesarily mean it is.

I suppose you think you're the only one who read the article, then?

 

[Tr0n]

Need I say pwnt?

Because I just did.

pwnt

pwnt

 

[KagePrototype]

Stop pwnting or I'll pwnt you.

 

[Nemesis6]

Need I say pwnt?

Because I just did.

pwnt

Need I say stupid?

Because I just did.

Stupid.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Need I say bologna?

Because I just did.

Bologna.

 

[Absinthe]

pwnt

 

[kirovman]

My threads always seem to have this effect D:

 

[Nemesis6]

I wonder why...

 

[kirovman]

If you're going to say something, just say it. Rather than using vague sarcasm.

 

[Nemesis6]

Alright, you're intolerant of any form of critique and resort to insults when you have nothing to say. I can't know if you have anything to say or not. I don't know you that well, but you present no other angle of yourself than someone who resorts to nonsense when confronted with something he doesn't like or disagrees with.

 

[kirovman]

Intolerant of critique? I'd like to see some examples?

Insults? I don't recall using them. Maybe you could provide specific examples?

And as for the "nonsense", I've been feeling in a playful mood today after a heavy week at work, but they did dig at proving a point, and other than that normally I'd say I provide a balanced and meaningful discussion, and I'd like to think that everyone else who knows me agrees with that.