Should the government sponsor gay pride events?

[gh0st]

gh0st has hit the nail on the head every time with this one!

personally, I would be just as offended seeing "straight" people doing these same types of things..

I don't live THAT far from San Francisco that I don't see what the "extreme gay"(not average) portion of homosexuals act/dress like in PUBLIC on a daily basis..

its not that the fact that they are gay,it is the way they represent themselves and others of their community that makes me say NO to government funding of ANY SPECIAL INTERESTS (except the elderly)

See, there is funding the AARP (wrong) and funding Medicare (right). I too would be just as offended seeing straight people do this - what really irks me is that state governments are dolling out MONEY for this. Remember that nobody is mad about giving people the right to protest, but if they choose to do it in lewd, gross ways, then they should most certainly not recieve any money from the government. They shouldnt anyway.

 

[CptStern]

Easy for you to say. When these events close dozens of streets and clog seattle in an orgy of penises I dont really have a choice but become affected by it. You know what stern, if you dont like the Iraq war, just ignore it. It doesnt effect you, so dont even bother.

please, toronto has the second largest gay pride parade in north america (san fran I presume being first)

If you dont get it now, you never will, sorry.

that's not an answer

Prove it. I've proven that this kind of illegal and gross activity is perpetuated in these events, thus relieving them of any public funds, prove to me that a person walking down the street stark naked wouldnt get arrested.

that's my point ..if they are doing something illegal they should be arrested


...oh by the way wouldnt other groups such as the st patricks day parade receive some sort of public funding for the parade as it a culture event ...you know, tourism and all that ...why is this any different ...I presume you're not irish

And why not? Perhaps you've never been to any of these kinds of things (I have, Seattle is a hotbed.

please, toronto has the second largest gay pride parade in north america (san fran I presume being first)

I dont have a problem with it either,

could have fooled me

because now things are way more restrained).

of course, how silly of me, it's always been about accomodating heterosexuals

Its not ONE person walking down the street with their nipple poking out.

cuz only gay people pierce their nipples ...why are we talking about pierced nipples?

Take a peek out of your igloo and actually see whats happening for yourself.

I live in a city of 4.5 million ...you?

If you wouldnt let your kid look at naked pictures on the computer,

completely unrelated

it is a complete double standard to allow these events to waste money.

like macy's day parade, st patricks, superbowl, thanksgivings day, etc etc

How does Iraq affect your life in the least?

gas is up thankyouverymuch ...oh and people are dying needlessly for the greed of a few ...call me stupid ..but ya I care

Its an issue, i have an opinion on it, just like you do.

believe it or not I truely believe you are entitled to be a bigot

If you support separation of church and state, you should support seperation of special interest and state.

cultural event ...and dont throw god into it ...I've had it up to here with jebus

 

[gh0st]

...oh by the way wouldnt other groups such as the st patricks day parade receive some sort of public funding for the parade as it a culture event ...you know, tourism and all that ...why is this any different ...I presume you're not irish

Believe it or not this is the only part of your post that didnt cause sharp pains in my frontal lobe. Your lack of any ability to see through lines OR the bigger picture makes my cranium BURN for vengeance.

1. No.
2. No.

I dont care about the parade in principle or in action. Hell they can do whatever they want as long as its legal. Whats important to me is that the government stay out of it, and that they arent the bad guy for doing so. Can we agree on that?

 

[CptStern]

no ..it's a cultural event just like St Patricks day that brings in tourist dollars ...I see no problem here ...we cant arbitrarily, pick based on personal feelings, what groups receives money and which dont ..that's discriminatory


the problem here is that you dont like it ...but they're not doing it for you, are they?

 

[gh0st]

no ..it's a cultural event just like St Patricks day that brings in tourist dollars ...I see no problem here ...we cant arbitrarily, pick based on personal feelings, what groups receives money and which dont ..that's discriminatory


the problem here is that you dont like it ...but they're not doing it for you, are they?

St. Patricks day should be no different. I can see the government sponsoring events on actual holidays, such as x-mas and st. patricks day because they arent a group. Saying st. patricks day is for the irish is none sense, just like saying x-mas is for christians. nor is a drunken irish mob a special interest group. but dolling out money for, say, black people to have a parade would be wrong too. giving money for any ONE GROUP is wrong.

 

[jonbob]

With respect, St Patricks is an irish thing. That said, christmas shouldn't recieve government money either.

 

[MjM]

They sponsor religious celebacy programs, so they shouldnt mind gay pride.

 

[dream431ca]

There will always be closed minded people..to bad some of these people have to be politicians.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Stern, man, calm down. Much as I respect your views (which are generally the same as mine) you are kinda stirring up hate here.

I'm not aware of what other events the US government sponsors - not living there and everything.

I mean, the thing about gay pride day is that it's not completely pointless - it's protest against the homophobia that still exists in a lot of places, against not being able to marry the same sex...once homosexuality is truly accepted then gay pride day will be pointless.

I live in Brighton. It is, apparently, the gay capital of Britain, and I have never seen anything to make me look badly upon Gay Pride day - no 'simulated sex', nudism, anything like that.

 

[The Monkey]

Yes. Yes they should. Homosexual persons are one of the most targeted groups of harassment, and every government have to do something about it.

 

[jonbob]

Even so, the goverment should enact laws to stop harassment. Sponsering the cause suggests they endorse that way of life, which in an ideal world is something a government shouldn't do.

 

[Tr0n]

The goverment should stay neutral.

 

[CptStern]

Stern, man, calm down. Much as I respect your views (which are generally the same as mine) you are kinda stirring up hate here.

wha? how am I stirring up hate? I'm defending their right to have a parade

 

[Tr0n]

The politics section has got to you...you should take a few days...or weeks off from it.

 

[CptStern]

read the entire thread from the beginning

 

[Sulkdodds]

wha? how am I stirring up hate? I'm defending their right to have a parade

Hmm, looking back through this thread, you didn't actually say anything particularly offensive. This guy, on the other hand:

**** you, Stern

There are more civil ways to put your point forward.

 

[CptStern]

that I can understand ...the bigotry I cant

 

[Sulkdodds]

What other festivals do the US government sponsor, anyway?

 

[jonbob]

Probably the 4th of July ones, but they have a legitimate reason for doing that.

 

[CptStern]

What other festivals do the US government sponsor, anyway?

well I dont know for sure but in canada it's a municipality responsibility to fund cultural events through the ministry of tourism ...although the federal government does kick in money from time to time

 

[Foxtrot]

They sponsor religious celebacy programs, so they shouldnt mind gay pride.

But the religious celebacy programs don't parade around the street simulating sex.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

What the council in this county passed basically forbids government participation, intervention, and so forth, in gay pride events and in the general community at large. Ipso facto, its a "neutrality" agreement, one which the government should have for all races, religions, colors, groups, and so forth.

Government shouldn't have anything to do with any of them.. I wasn't aware that they did. And I think that for -all- 'events'. Nothing to do with that it's gays or anything, I'd feel just the same for straights, any race, any nationality celebration, etc. They're good, yes! But government shouldn't be involved.

 

[CptStern]

well if that was the case in canada there wouldnt be any cultural events like the Jazz festival or World Youth day ...they bring in tourism, the government reaps the benefits of tourism (taxes) so they should fund it at least in part ...believe it or not most cultural events run on a deficit ..they're not exactly profitable ...the alternative is that private corporations sponsor them ...therefore the recent renaming of the downtown jazz festival to the DuMaurier downtown jazz festival ...DuMaurier is a tobacco company .....is that what you guys want?

"the Macy's Day Parade now brought to you by WalMart and Dow Chemical"

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

well if that was the case in canada there wouldnt be any cultural events like the Jazz festival or World Youth day ...they bring in tourism, the government reaps the benefits of tourism (taxes) so they should fund it at least in part ...believe it or not most cultural events run on a deficit ..they're not exactly profitable ...the alternative is that private corporations sponsor them ...therefore the recent renaming of the downtown jazz festival to the DuMaurier downtown jazz festival ...DuMaurier is a tobacco company .....is that what you guys want?

"the Macy's Day Parade now brought to you by WalMart and Dow Chemical"

Yes, private sponsorship is how it should be.

 

[CptStern]

oh come on, you're kidding me right? corporations are looking out for themselves ...do you really think a tobacco company should sponsor a family oriented cultural event?

 

[Foxtrot]

oh come on, you're kidding me right? corporations are looking out for themselves ...do you really think a tobacco company should sponsor a family oriented cultural event?

That doesn't happen in the US, there may be a law against it, or maybe we just have more sense.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

oh come on, you're kidding me right? corporations are looking out for themselves ...do you really think a tobacco company should sponsor a family oriented cultural event?

Generally that doesn't happen, it's up to the event people to decide which sponsor they want. I mean it COULD, but we're looking at real life probability here.

You're likely to get sponsored by like.. General Motors or American Airlines or something. And if it's a big event you'll get sponsored by a lot so you get to choose.


And it's funny how you used Macy's Parade. They don't need another sponsor- they're already sponsored by Macy's!

 

[gh0st]

wha? how am I stirring up hate? I'm defending their right to have a parade

You've missed the point every single time when I just pumble you with it, so I'll just give it to you ALL AT ONCE so you dont think of yourself as some crusader defending the gays from homphobic gh0st.

Hell they can do whatever they want as long as its legal. Whats important to me is that the government stay out of it, and that they arent the bad guy for doing so. Can we agree on that?

what really irks me is that state governments are dolling out MONEY for this. Remember that nobody is mad about giving people the right to protest

The point is, this behavior shouldnt be paid for in part by governments.

Its important to know that I have absolutely NO problem with ANYBODY marching in any parade. My problem comes with government recognition.

Obviously, NOBODY IS QUESTIONING THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE A MOTHER ****ING PARADE YOU DOLT. Your self righteous arrogant pompous pretentious etc attitute, eg "

I'm defending their right to have a parade

", makes me want to THROW UP.

oh come on, you're kidding me right? corporations are looking out for themselves ...do you really think a tobacco company should sponsor a family oriented cultural event?

A tobacco company? Well stern. Surely you wouldnt want the AMERICAN government sponsoring any family oriented cultural event. Well shit they MAY JUST INVADE YOU! Every X-Mas in Seattle there is an awesome parade, the BON-MACYS PARADE. NOT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT PARADE. Get it? Sadly your pick-and choose responses pretty much negate any understanding you might ever hope to have.

 

[MjM]

I wouldnt worry about it, if they cant get cash from the Government, they're likely to get it from Ford.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1413726/posts


But then i really dont see why a 'Gay Pride movement' getting cash from the government is an issue?

If the government is promoting religious celebacy programs, then to maintain 'neutrality', it shold be equally as open to supporting a gay pride event.

And that article was about posters and books in libraries etc, so where did the whole public sex thing come from, i think thats just allot of hyperbole.

And there AGENDA is to have equal rights, wtf is wrong with you, theres nothing wrong with that. The church tries to manipulate the way people want to live their lives. There is no way they are same situation.

Thats some bizarre stuff your comming out with.


REMEMBER THEY ARE TRYING TO GET EQUAL RIGHTS. ITS NOT SOME CONSPIRACY TO TURN YOU GAY. THEY ARNT GOING TO HAVE SEX IN THE STREETS.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

I wouldnt worry about it, if they cant get cash from the Government, they're likely to get it from Ford.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1413726/posts


But then i really dont see why a 'Gay Pride movement' getting cash from the government is an issue?

If the government is promoting religious celebacy programs, then to maintain 'neutrality', it shold be equally as open to supporting a gay pride event.

And that article was about posters and books in libraries etc, so where did the whole public sex thing come from, i think thats just allot of hyperbole.

And there AGENDA is to have equal rights, wtf is wrong with you, theres nothing wrong with that. The church tries to manipulate the way people want to live their lives. There is no way they are same situation.

Thats some bizarre stuff your comming out with.


REMEMBER THEY ARE TRYING TO GET EQUAL RIGHTS. ITS NOT SOME CONSPIRACY TO TURN YOU GAY. THEY ARNT GOING TO HAVE SEX IN THE STREETS.

have you ever been to one of those gay pride events (public),? i have, in Chicago, they didn't have sex on the streets, but i wouldn't bring my child to one of those events, it's actually very sexual oriented
and no gov. shouldn't support it (nor go agaist it) i think the gov. should stay neutrial

 

[MjM]

Sexual oriented, lol, what a shock, gay pride hrmmm, homosexual ... hrmmm.

People are shocked and then the next day they're buying their FHM.

 

[CptStern]

You've missed the point every single time when I just pumble you with it, so I'll just give it to you ALL AT ONCE so you dont think of yourself as some crusader defending the gays from homphobic gh0st.

you mean pummel ..no I havent missed the point but it seems you have: gay pride like any other cultural event is entitled to funding from the government ..the very fact that you think they shouldnt get funding based on what they represent is discriminatory ...even though you have stated that you believe no cultural event should be government funded your basis for denying funding to the gay pride event is a personal objection to their lifestyle as exemplified by this statement:

I'm defending their right to have a parade

", makes me want to THROW UP

Obviously, NOBODY IS QUESTIONING THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE A MOTHER ****ING PARADE YOU DOLT.

see above ...not everyone thinks on a surface level ..there's more meaning there but you cant follow it

Your self righteous arrogant pompous pretentious etc attitute, eg

attitude, ego ....I dont see how you think I'm: arrogant pompous pretentious from just text :naughty:

A tobacco company? Well stern. Surely you wouldnt want the AMERICAN government sponsoring any family oriented cultural event. Well shit they MAY JUST INVADE YOU! Every X-Mas in Seattle there is an awesome parade, the BON-MACYS PARADE. NOT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT PARADE. Get it? Sadly your pick-and choose responses pretty much negate any understanding you might ever hope to have.

hey numbnuts the tobacco company sponsored a CANADIAN festival ...i was talking about CANADA not the US ...it's not always about the US ...who's being arrogant now?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

you mean pummel ..no I havent missed the point but it seems you have: gay pride like any other cultural event is entitled to funding from the government ..the very fact that you think they shouldnt get funding based on what they represent is discriminatory ...even though you have stated that you believe no cultural event should be government funded your basis for denying funding to the gay pride event is a personal objection to their lifestyle as exemplified by this statement

I don't believe any cultural event should get government funding and you know I don't have a problem with gays at all. I'm consistent with this. I'm against corporate welfare, government handouts, etc.

The single thing the government can spend money on in my opinion is public works projects. Bridges, canals, piping, etc etc. However, when a private developer opts to do it the government must yield to them to do it.

 

[CptStern]

I don't believe any cultural event should get government funding and you know I don't have a problem with gays at all. I'm consistent with this. I'm against corporate welfare, government handouts, etc.

The single thing the government can spend money on in my opinion is public works projects. Bridges, canals, piping, etc etc. However, when a private developer opts to do it the government must yield to them to do it.

but doesnt the government also have a responsibility to support art and culture? (after all a nation isnt defined exclusively by it's military might) dont know how it is in the US but in canada the government funds cultural events ...without them most of these events wouldnt exist ..the same must be true in the US because I know for a fact artists can seek government grants ..this is no different ..government SHOULD grant funding to events that bring in tourism, which in turns fills the government coffers

 

[pomegranate]

I might've seriously participated in this thread if it hadn't been suggested that a group of people distinguished by their sexuality had an 'agenda'. Sad.

 

[CptStern]

well that's too bad because I could have used your help

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

but doesnt the government also have a responsibility to support art and culture? (after all a nation isnt defined exclusively by it's military might) dont know how it is in the US but in canada the government funds cultural events ...without them most of these events wouldnt exist ..the same must be true in the US because I know for a fact artists can seek government grants ..this is no different ..government SHOULD grant funding to events that bring in tourism, which in turns fills the government coffers

Negative, minimal government. If government was less keen on handouts, corporate welfare, individual welfare, etc, it wouldn't be as cash strapped. A good amount of events here actually are corporate sponsored, but we're more in tune with that style of things and I can't see Canada doing it the same immediately, it would crush your cultural system. It has to go in steps. It's like if we wanted to eliminate welfare here- it can't just be one day, BAM IT'S GONE- things would implode. It's gotta be step by step, program by program, replace with welfare to work sponsorships by employers, etc etc.

 

[CptStern]

ya but how can you trust that a corporation will sponsor a cultural event based solely on what's good for the public...I mean I could see how say a gay rights group would have a hard time finding mainstream sponsorship ...sorry but I just dont believe corporations should be the vanguard of culture. The government does a far better job of representing all interest groups not just those that are more likely to sell more soap

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

ya but how can you trust that a corporation will sponsor a cultural event based solely on what's good for the public...I mean I could see how say a gay rights group would have a hard time finding mainstream sponsorship ...sorry but I just dont believe corporations should be the vanguard of culture. The government does a far better job of representing all interest groups not just those that are more likely to sell more soap

They don't do it for another cause they do it for advertising. It looks really good for Ford to have "Ford sponsored starving children" - they're getting advertising from it, the kids are getting fed, it's not really a loss for anyone. They may not be doing it for an ultra alrtuistic reason but that's not what matters, the results do.

It's like sports, the reason you see all the Nike ads across the arena, etc etc. Or boxing, the Budweiser logos on the ring. Much better than government paying for it.

 

[CptStern]

a sporting event is different because it already has a built-in audience ...culture is different ..how would it look if say the Barnes Exhibit (Impressionists paintings) sponsored by dow chemical ...but because they dont want to offend their shareholders they remove paintings with nudity ...the government doesnt have as their mandate profit or advertising ...corporations do


if the guggenheim wants to bring a Picasso tour to NY say ...how would they be able to pay for it? on advance ticket sales alone? most museums, gallaries etc run on a deficit