Should the government sponsor gay pride events?

[Raziaar]

Pre-emptive evolution? I don't mean physical crowding as in not enough space or land, I mean crowding as in no availible resources - ie famines, droughts, etc. We've experienced plenty of them in our history.

How then, can you explain the fact that the majority of homosexual people come from the western world, where many people lead comfortable lives?

A species, with two members of it completely isolated from each other, do not evolve based on whats going on with the other.

And honestly... I don't think famine/droughts, etc is a trigger that could even make humans evolve. If anything... they would evolve so that they require less of an intake of food, slower metabolisms, etc. Not becoming homosexual. Besides... evolution takes a VERY VERY VERY long time. We wouldn't go from straight to gay based on a couple thousand years or so.

Really... the idea of nature mutating the genes so people are homosexual is a really, really long stretch if you expect me to believe.

I'd sooner believe that aliens came down and manipulated the genes just so they could be entertained. lol. Cause we all know how fun Gay Parades are!

 

[Foxtrot]

It's not as if any two people having sex in public is desirable. Why narrow down gays saying they're disgusting? It's disgusting if anyone does it in public, straight, gay, bi or beastial.

I wasn't talking about having sex in public.

 

[kirovman]

How then, can you explain the fact that the majority of homosexual people come from the western world, where many people lead comfortable lives?

A species, with two members of it completely isolated from each other, do not evolve based on whats going on with the other.

And honestly... I don't think famine/droughts, etc is a trigger that could even make humans evolve. If anything... they would evolve so that they require less of an intake of food, slower metabolisms, etc. Not becoming homosexual. Besides... evolution takes a VERY VERY VERY long time. We wouldn't go from straight to gay based on a couple thousand years or so.

Really... the idea of nature mutating the genes so people are homosexual is a really, really long stretch if you expect me to believe.

I'd sooner believe that aliens came down and manipulated the genes just so they could be entertained. lol. Cause we all know how fun Gay Parades are!

Do you have any reason to believe Western society has more gays than any other society? And it's not like we have been comfortable forever - just as recently as the 1950s we have had food shortages, but I don't think gayness is just confined to humans they've demonstrated it exists in a lot of animals. Anyway that's besides the point, this discussion is about gay pride parades.

I don't think gays are more prevalent in the West than any other place in the world. Only difference is, in countries that haven't modernised, it is taboo, and frowned upon. Is someone going to be openly gay in a country where they could be arrested or stoned to death?
And that leads nicely into the following: The gay pride parades are celebrating the fact that they can admit to being gay without society judging them (note the difference between being open with your sexuality and being openly sexual).


In extremist Islamic regimes, it's not something they are free to do, so they are celebrating the fact that in America (or wherever the parade is) they can.
Until a few years ago, homosexuality in China was a mental disease. Now in cities like Shanghai they have allowed gay clubs, and the people who attend are not going to spend time in a re-education camp for being gay, anymore.

Let me put it this way, I wouldn't mind having a gay friend (I might even have one, but none that I know of) unless he talks about making out with another guy, or ass ramming him, oh and as long as he doesn't fit any of the annoying stereotypes. I compare it to two really obese people haveing sex, it just isn't something I want to see or hear about.

It's not as if any two people having sex in public is desirable. Why narrow down gays saying they're disgusting? It's disgusting if anyone does it in public, straight, gay, bi or beastial.

I wasn't talking about having sex in public.

Ok, but what are the chances your friend would talk to you about this? He could just say "I'm gay, and proud" without going into all the details of his sex life.

 

[Raziaar]

I wasn't being entirely serious. How am I to know most of the gays in the world are in the western portion? Heh. It just seems that way.

But... I just cannot believe the fact that homosexuals are some sort of evolved human. I don't believe its in the genes. My friend once said, that maybe its a mutated strand of DNA that happened long ago. I can't believe that either.

Just doesn't seem very plausible.

 

[Absinthe]

But... I just cannot believe the fact that homosexuals are some sort of evolved human. I don't believe its in the genes. My friend once said, that maybe its a mutated strand of DNA that happened long ago. I can't believe that either.

Just doesn't seem very plausible.

Then what is plausible? That people choose to be an ostracized minority? (Not saying you think this)

 

[kirovman]

I wasn't being entirely serious. How am I to know most of the gays in the world are in the western portion? Heh. It just seems that way.

But... I just cannot believe the fact that homosexuals are some sort of evolved human. I don't believe its in the genes. My friend once said, that maybe its a mutated strand of DNA that happened long ago. I can't believe that either.

Just doesn't seem very plausible.

People in very different environments grow up to realise they are gay. Ranging from people who's parent's used to beat them, to people growing up with an "ordinary" family life, to those who had parents who overlavished their kids with gifts.

So this range of environments suggests that it is a genetic thing or at least something that cannot be chosen, rather than a 'choice' - "Ah, it's Wednesday! I think I will decide to be gay today!"

 

[Absinthe]

Homosexuals and heteroxuals have been found to have different brain structures. I wonder how you choose that.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Also, homosexuality occurs naturally in just about all mammals as far as I know. There are gay dogs, cats, you name it.

 

[Foxtrot]

People in very different environments grow up to realise they are gay. Ranging from people who's parent's used to beat them, to people growing up with an "ordinary" family life, to those who had parents who overlavished their kids with gifts.

So this range of environments suggests that it is a genetic thing or at least something that cannot be chosen, rather than a 'choice' - "Ah, it's Wednesday! I think I will decide to be gay today!"

It is also found with identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't, seperated at birth and everything.

 

[kirovman]

It is also found with identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't, seperated at birth and everything.

So they chose it? In instances such as these there could be a very subtle trigger. Identical twins do not have identical interests, likes and dislikes either. Did they choose to have these likes and dislikes? I don't think so. Same with sexuality.

As I said, I don't think anyone has woken up one day and decided "Ah, I fancy being gay today, to spite religion and traditional values!"

 

[Foxtrot]

So they chose it? In instances such as these there could be a very subtle trigger. Identical twins do not have identical interests, likes and dislikes either. Did they choose to have these likes and dislikes? I don't think so. Same with sexuality.

As I said, I don't think anyone has woken up one day and decided "Ah, I fancy being gay today, to spite religion and traditional values!"

I don't think it is that simple either, but I also do not think you are born that way.

 

[Raziaar]

Homosexuals and heteroxuals have been found to have different brain structures. I wonder how you choose that.

Alot of people have different brain structures. I don't think the brain chooses why you like some things, and why you don't like others. Its conditioning that does that.

Next thing you know... I was programmed to not like sports because my brain structure is different... heh.

You know... when I was younger, I found myself strangely attracted to some of my guy friends. Would you say that I was gay? Nah, I wouldn't. The mind does not come in shades of black and white... you do not either like the same sex in an attractive manner, or not. We're naturally programmed to be attracted to the opposite sex, with pheromones, and other biological impulses... but we can easily stray from that path.

 

[CptStern]

so what does homosexual conditioning entail exactly? long hours of watching ballet? if I go see the ice capades will I turn gay? Will going to too many broadway musicals make me appreciate men more? Should I avoid all bright colours or tight clothing?

 

[Raziaar]

so what does homosexual conditioning entail exactly? long hours of watching ballet? if I go see the ice capades will I turn gay? Will going to too many broadway musicals make me appreciate men more? Should I avoid all bright colours or tight clothing?

I think you're trying to pin me as some sort of shallow, ignorant person Stern. I am not.

Is the fact that I accept homosexuality not enough for you? Must I also agree with you that it is an all natural, naturally occuring thing that you are born with?

If I don't.. will you always think I am shallow and ignorant like you do now?

Please... I accept homosexuality, and that should be all that matters, really.

 

[CptStern]

I dont believe you do, but that's besides the point ...I'm asking a valid question here ...if you believe homosexuality is a result of conditioning then back yourself up ..explain how conditioning leads to homosexuality

 

[Raziaar]

I dont believe you do, but that's besides the point ...I'm asking a valid question here ...if you believe homosexuality is a result of conditioning then back yourself up ..explain how conditioning leads to homosexuality

All things in life are subject to conditioning. What exactly do you want me to say?

Life experiences, and the like. I'm not talking about 'specific' events in ones life... nothing is the same for everybody.

And yes... I do accept it. I don't really care what you think though, you're a little narrow minded to think that I wouldn't be keeping my word on that, when you don't even know me.

 

[CptStern]

All things in life are subject to conditioning. What exactly do you want me to say?

I thought it was painfully obvious what I wanted you to say: back up your proof that homosexuality is a product of conditioning

Life experiences, and the like. I'm not talking about 'specific' events in ones life... nothing is the same for everybody.

but those life experiences must be different for homosexuals ...that's why, according to you, they're homosexual to begin with, and if a heterosexual person had those same experiences they'd be gay too

And yes... I do accept it. I don't really care what you think though, you're a little narrow minded to think that I wouldn't be keeping my word on that, when you don't even know me.

nope I'm not being narrowminded, I'm going by what you said:


although I'm not all that sure you said it ...but didnt you try to say that homosexuality is a mental disorder?

 

[Raziaar]

although I'm not all that sure you said it ...but didnt you try to say that homosexuality is a mental disorder?

When did I say that? I don't ever remember saying that.


Also let me say this... are people who like having sex with animals, born that way? What about people who like having sex with grossly underage individuals? In no way am I comparing homosexuality to those... i'm just going to show those are other things that people 'claim' to be born with, but I don't believe is true.

Once a child molestor said... "You can't help who you're attracted to, so why should I be treated any different?" I think he said that anyways, I cant remember who it was.

 

[CptStern]

well then, I apologise ...now answer my question:


how is homosexuality a product of conditioning?

 

[Raziaar]

well then, I apologise ...now answer my question:


how is homosexuality a product of conditioning?

I don't see how i'm supposed to answer that? I can't give you any specific answers here, Stern. It is my belief, that being homosexual is a lifestyle choice, either voluntarily, or as one develops when growing up based on the events that happen in their life. Some may be positive, and some may be negative experiences. How can I explain the events in peoples lives, when everybody is different?


Would you like me to give you an example, of the events that might happen in one individuals life?

 

[CptStern]

I don't see how i'm supposed to answer that?

you could back it with documented studies, research, articles ...but it all boils down to this:

...It is my belief....

you can believe what you want but it doesnt make it true

I can't give you any specific answers here, Stern. It is my belief, that being homosexual is a lifestyle choice, either voluntarily, or as one develops when growing up based on the events that happen in their life. Some may be positive, and some may be negative experiences. How can I explain the events in peoples lives, when everybody is different?

well you could bring documented studies, research, articles to back your argument but you wont find any because no psychiatrist would back you up

Would you like me to give you an example, of the events that might happen in one individuals life?

not going to happen ...an experience will NOT turn someone gay, it may be the trigger that makes them aware of their homosexuality but no amount of experiences will make you gay

you couldnt choose to be gay much like you couldnt choose to be chinese ..sure you could choose to perform a hemosexual act but that in itself idoes not make you a homosexual

 

[Raziaar]

People in very different environments grow up to realise they are gay. Ranging from people who's parent's used to beat them, to people growing up with an "ordinary" family life, to those who had parents who overlavished their kids with gifts.

So this range of environments suggests that it is a genetic thing or at least something that cannot be chosen, rather than a 'choice' - "Ah, it's Wednesday! I think I will decide to be gay today!"

I think you misunderstand what I say. I don't mean really, that people just snap their fingers and choose to be gay. I think its more of what happens in their life, that affects them emotionally that leads them onto that path.

I doubt we'll ever see the day of a doctor helping bring a baby into the world, running some tests on the baby and telling the mother, "Mrs Johnson, your baby exhibits the charactaristic signs of a gay human being. This is one gay baby".

"No... no! It can't be true!"

"I'm sorry Mrs Johnson, but its true, its in your child's DNA. He will develop to be a homosexual".


I *DO* believe that people cannot help but become homosexual based on their life experiences, though. That... I can believe, and I support.

To go with an example I was going to give CptStern.

A child is born into the world, his baby years are relatively normal, but developing into a toddler and teenager, his life changes. His mother starts drinking, and starts being abusive to this young child. He grows up fearing his mother.

And when this child goes to school, he makes friends with the other neighborhood boys, playing games with them, allowing himself to escape from the terror of his drunken mother at home. He never has a bad time with his best friend who is a boy. Going on into his later years, where the girls are developing faster than him, he is picked on alot by them... teased for whatever reasons and he can't seem to make very many female friends. Because of this, he falls back to his male friends, and his best friend. They don't tease him... they treat him nicely and he always gets along with them. He relates more with them than the mean girls who do nothing but tease him and make his life miserable. With the boys though, he finds happiness and solace with them, and as he grows up... he reinforces himself with this belief and starts to develop more affectionate feelings towards males who he has identified so well with growing up. After he is grown, he discovers that he could never truely find himself happy with the company of a woman in a romantic relationship, but instead feels best when he is with males. He is gay.



Sorry... that was poorly written, but that was just one example of what I think could happen. There doesn't have to necessarily be bad events in ones life to facilitate this, and there could very well likely just be good events. But even so, I believe it is lifes experiences growing up, that determine just how one feels or doesnt feel around the same sex.

you could back it with documented studies, research, articles ...but it all boils down to this:

This isn't a scientific debate i'm trying to do here, man. This is how *I* feel things are. Its what makes the most sense to me. I don't believe every scientific thing published, like global warming, and I certainly don't believe anything that I have heard about gays being different in their genetic makeup.

not going to happen ...an experience will NOT turn someone gay, it may be the trigger that makes them aware of their homosexuality but no amount of experiences will make you gay

you couldnt choose to be gay much like you couldnt choose to be chinese ..sure you could choose to perform a hemosexual act but that in itself idoes not make you a homosexual

WHOA. Are you claiming that people DO NOT grow up to be different based on their enviroment!? You're telling me little black kids who grow up to be violent are just naturally violent, and no amount of violent experiences they have grown up with have made them that way? That is just so wrong. People are moulded and shaped based on what they experience in life... how they are raised, how their society and culture is. People are different ALL OVER THE WORLD, and it is based on their upbringings. Why should sexuality be any different than other aspects of our life that are affected by things that go on around us?

My argument is more on common sense, than scientific study. I don't think there is any scientific proof out there that I would believe and agree with regarding this matter. Its like marijuana... there are so many studies about marijuana, and how it is 100% safe. There are also studies that go towards saying how it is 100% harmful. I don't 100% agree with either studies. Just because it is a study, doesnt mean its true. We have SCIENTIFIC STUDIES, that prove certain prescription drugs and the like are 100% natural and safe... but what do you know, many years later they are found to be killing people, and are recalled? I don't trust everything I hear, just because science is attached to it.

 

[Raziaar]

Where did you go Stern? Have a response for me? Thats all I can really offer you, as far as I believe. Thats what my thoughts are.

And i'm not really going to reiterate my points anymore, since frankly, one is enough.

 

[Raziaar]

Bump. Am I to get no response from you Stern? You got the response from me that you wanted.

 

[CptStern]

wha? I thought I had written a response last night ...doh


ok to summarize what I said:


ummmm ...so all gay people are gay because of some traumatic event?


and


there is definately a genetic link, it just hasnt been found yet


and

My argument is more on common sense, than scientific study

well that settles it, everyone knows common sense trumps scientific study any day :rolling:


I think those were my main points

 

[Raziaar]

well that settles it, everyone knows common sense trumps scientific study any day

There's no scientific study that I believe is legitimate to prove it, and also none that I believe can disprove it either.

ummmm ...so all gay people are gay because of some traumatic event?

Didn't you read what I said how it doesn't have to involve BAD experiences... but can also just as simply involve only good experiences?

ummmm ...so all gay people are gay because of some traumatic event?

When it is found... let me know. It's hard for me to believe any scientific studies about 'brain structure' being different with homosexuals and straight people.

 

[Tr0n]

Reason why men love men or women love women is because they just do folks.

God damn...it's that simple.Maybe they feel more of a bond with the same sex or it's just love.

Bunch of idiots I tell ya...

 

[Raziaar]

Reason why men love men or women love women is because they just do folks.

God damn...it's that simple.Maybe they feel more of a bond with the same sex or it's just love.

Bunch of idiots I tell ya...

Do you feel the same reason pedophiles love little children is because they just do? They have claimed in the past, that they can't help who they are attracted to...

Are people born that way? I don't think so. People are born to 'naturally' be attracted to the opposite sex because thats the way we are programmed, to procreate.

You don't get born and... gay baby, or straight baby.

 

[CptStern]

There's no scientific study that I believe is legitimate to prove it, and also none that I believe can disprove it either.

well I'll take the word of psychologists, doctors, medical researchers, geneticists etc over yours any day ...sorry but you just dont has much clout as they do

Didn't you read what I said how it doesn't have to involve BAD experiences... but can also just as simply involve only good experiences?

that makes no sense ...you said it was a product of their enviroment, now you're saying that it doesnt have to be ...how can a positive enviroment lead to something that for all intents and purposes is negative? (if your reaction is to be taken as the norm) ...while I concede that enviroment may play a role in it, I'm more than convinced (researchers back me up on this one) that it is more about nature than nurture

When it is found... let me know. It's hard for me to believe any scientific studies about 'brain structure' being different with homosexuals and straight people.

you dont seem to get that a genetic link has nothing to do with "brain structure" ...in fact that brain structure theory was thrown out in the 50's. As I've stated before THERE IS NO pysical or mental defect ...a different brain structure would be classified as a physical defect

 

[Tr0n]

Maybe pedo's get a sexual rise by doing that shit.Hell I don't know...also you can't compare pedo's and gays.That's just ****ing stupid.

They may have claimed that, but doesn't mean they can't help it.That's just bullshit.If guys like other guys or women and women...just shut the **** up and let them.You don't like it then so what?That's your opinion.

News flash: Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man and will be here till it ends.Get the **** over it.

 

[CptStern]

Do you feel the same reason pedophiles love little children is because they just do? They have claimed in the past, that they can't help who they are attracted to...

Are people born that way? I don't think so. People are born to 'naturally' be attracted to the opposite sex because thats the way we are programmed, to procreate.

You don't get born and... gay baby, or straight baby.

sigh, raziaar ...NO baby is born with sexual orientation ...they dont have the capacity to lift their own heads much less have a preference for gender


oh and tread lightly around comparing gays with pedophiles ...as most (over 80%) identify themselves as heterosexual

 

[Raziaar]

I am *NOT* comparing gays to pedophiles. I even stated earlier in the thread when I mentioned it, that it wasn't my ****ing intent. I'm STATING it, because its another group that is claiming they could do nothing to prevent their sexual attraction.

Its *NOT* comparing gays to pedophiles. God... give me a ****ing break.

that makes no sense ...you said it was a product of their enviroment, now you're saying that it doesnt have to be ...how can a positive enviroment lead to something that for all intents and purposes is negative? (if your reaction is to be taken as the norm) ...while I concede that enviroment may play a role in it, I'm more than convinced (researchers back me up on this one) that it is more about nature than nurture

Life doesn't have to throw bad experiences at you, buddy. You could have overwhelming good experiences with all the boys growing up, and male figures in your life, and still come to the same conclusion.

you dont seem to get that a genetic link has nothing to do with "brain structure" ...in fact that brain structure theory was thrown out in the 50's. As I've stated before THERE IS NO pysical or mental defect ...a different brain structure would be classified as a physical defect

Then why are people in this forum, saying that homosexuals have different brain structure and are thus scientifically proven to be programmed gay?

you dont seem to get that a genetic link has nothing to do with "brain structure" ...in fact that brain structure theory was thrown out in the 50's. As I've stated before THERE IS NO pysical or mental defect ...a different brain structure would be classified as a physical defect

I have nothing to 'get over' with homosexuality. I already accept it. What more do you want? Thats what i've been saying... do I not only have to accept of it, I also have to believe people are born homosexual?

sigh, raziaar ...NO baby is born with sexual orientation ...they dont have the capacity to lift their own heads much less have a preference for gender

You people are already saying people are born gay. You're saying that its in their genetic makeup, that they cannot help who they are... that they are 'born' to like the same sex. I'm saying people 'grow' to like the same sex. Just like people develop to choose to dream about different careers in life. They're not born with a pre-determined attitude on life.

 

[Tr0n]

Uhhhhh...I haven't said homosexuals have a different brain structure.In my opinion...that's just bullshit.Also they aren't born with it...again..bullshit.

So I agree with you raz on those things.

 

[Raziaar]

Okay... i'll just leave it at this... my simplified thoughts, and thats all there is to it.

There are straight people in the world... men and women, who love each other, and spend their lives with each other. Fantastic.

There are gay people in the world, men/men, women/women who love each other and spend their lives with each other. That's fantastic, people deserve to be loved, and if they find somebody who loves them, and who they love... more power to them. Excellent.

It is my belief, supported by oh so many thousands and thousands and thousands of years of mankind's existence, that the way nature intends(for the human race), is to procreate with each other, man and woman. Man is born with a penis, and women are born with a vagina. They are biologically linked so that one can create babies with the other. The whole point of our existence, in the eyes of nature, is to further the species which can only be done by making babies with the opposite sex.

That being said... I am completely fine with homosexuals. I am fine that they are happy with having a partner of the same sex, and I am happy for them. But I will not, ever... believe that it is 'all natural', that they were somehow designed to be with the same sex instead of procreating with the opposite sex.

Nature has even designed its own way to make opposite sex's be attracted to each other. They are called pheromones. Even if not everybody is attracted to them in the same way, or at all.

 

[CptStern]

I am *NOT* comparing gays to pedophiles. I even stated earlier in the thread when I mentioned it, that it wasn't my ****ing intent. I'm STATING it, because its another group that is claiming they could do nothing to prevent their sexual attraction.

again I just said to watch that you dont make that comparison

.

Life doesn't have to throw bad experiences at you, buddy. You could have overwhelming good experiences with all the boys growing up, and male figures in your life, and still come to the same conclusion.

but that doesnt support your contention that it based PURELY on enviroment because that wouldnt explain gay people who had a normal upbringing ...think things through before you post ..not everything is so clear cut

Then why are people in this forum, saying that homosexuals have different brain structure and are thus scientifically proven to be programmed gay?

who said what? look there'd be just as much evidence that black people have different brain structures than white people ...it's just not supported by medical evidence ..you should probably read this

I have nothing to 'get over' with homosexuality. I already accept it. What more do you want? Thats what i've been saying... do I not only have to accept of it, I also have to believe people are born homosexual?

believe what you want but when you make your opinions public dont be surprised when they're challenged

You people are already saying people are born gay. You're saying that its in their genetic makeup, that they cannot help who they are... that they are 'born' to like the same sex. I'm saying people 'grow' to like the same sex. Just like people develop to choose to dream about different careers in life. They're not born with a pre-determined attitude on life.

do people choose to be straight? could you consciously choose to be gay if you wanted to? if the answer is no, why not?

 

[Raziaar]

again I just said to watch that you dont make that comparison

.

I don't.

but that doesnt support your contention that it based PURELY on enviroment because that wouldnt explain gay people who had a normal upbringing ...think things through before you post ..not everything is so clear cut

A normal upbringing doesn't have anything to do with sexuality. It's not the upbringing, its the life experiences. I guess unless you grew up with your mom and dad telling you all about homosexuality, or only being with girls/boys, and not girls/boys.

who said what? look there'd be just as much evidence that black people have different brain structures than white people ...it's just not supported by medical evidence ..you should probably read this

Look back in the thread! there are people saying that! The brain structure thing.

believe what you want but when you make your opinions public dont be surprised when they're challenged

I dont have a problem with my opinions being challenged... i'm just sick and tired of people like you not believing me when I say I don't have a problem with homosexuality just because of what i'm saying regarding my beliefs about whether or not they are born that way.

do people choose to be straight? could you consciously choose to be gay if you wanted to? if the answer is no, why not?

I wouldn't say people choose to be straight. I would say nature urges them on that path by all the things that it does. Hormones, pheromones, etc.

I do believe I could allow myself to become attracted to men if I truely wanted to allow myself to get close to them. I've even felt the urges at times, but later I tell myself no no no... thats not what I want.


I will be honest with you... I think those urges at times, comes from my early early childhood, where I vaguely remember the young kid who lived with us, and his family... that young kid, about my age... who for some unknown reason was so curious about sexual stuff at that age, and started fooling around with me.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I believe the Government should help to sponsor some kind of thing to Gays anyway. There still lacking a quality and quanity of human rights.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Their choice. Just like anyone else out there with a weird sex fetish. It is their choice, why should they get special benefits like government sponsoring? I don't agree with it, and many other people don't so why should we be forced to support something so controversal? The government shouldn't sponsor any special interest groups as those groups don't reflect nor benefit the population.

 

[CptStern]

Their choice. Just like anyone else out there with a weird sex fetish. It is their choice, why should they get special benefits like government sponsoring? I don't agree with it, and many other people don't so why should we be forced to support something so controversal? The government shouldn't sponsor any special interest groups as those groups don't reflect nor benefit the population.

well thankfully not everyone is a homophobe and bigot

 

[The Monkey]

Their choice. Just like anyone else out there with a weird sex fetish. It is their choice, why should they get special benefits like government sponsoring? I don't agree with it, and many other people don't so why should we be forced to support something so controversal? The government shouldn't sponsor any special interest groups as those groups don't reflect nor benefit the population.

You do relize that 10% of the population is homosexual so it's not exactly a "special interest group"...