Student arrested after cutting food with knife

[venturon]

I know it's not current, but usually you can at least find a mention of the law somewhere, and I've come up dry so far.

 

[Krynn72]

This is the knife I have. It is made of black Teflon coated 440 stainless steel, and the handle is made from aircraft grade aluminum.

Thread is now about what knives you guys use.

 

[VirusType2]

I know it's not current, but usually you can at least find a mention of the law somewhere, and I've come up dry so far.

I'm sorry bud, I can't prove it. I looked for about a half an hour and couldn't find a source on the internet. Like I said, I just saw it on the National Geographic Channel, and I'm pretty sure they are a reliable source.

EDIT: You trust Cutco marketing? They're not even English! I don't see how they're relevant. If was some dude from Sheffield yammering about the traditions of cutlery, then I could understand.

No dude. ... that.. please.. No more. Just read carefully what I say. The entire episode fits in a 30 minutes programming slot on T.V., and what I posted is merely a 1 minute portion of that show where they talk about Cutco. they also talk about Onieda. They also talk about Vitronox and the swiss army knives. The show was the history of knives in general and covered everything from bayonets to butcher knives.

I merely pasted the video to prove that there is a show called modern marvels on national geographic channel that I referred to called "modern marvels - knives". There was a few seconds in that 30 minute show that mentioned the stupid king and the stupid rounded knives. Unfortunately the part I referenced is not available on YouTube, so I can't share it.

Hope that is clear enough. I never even said you were wrong or anything. Who knows. I've learned things from school textbooks that turned out to be wrong, so...

VirusType2 you need to shut up because you're talking out of your ass. Either source your ridiculous claims or go away.

Ridiculous claims? Like?????

For the record, in the US, for all people who aren't culinary experts, we call the 'hollow handle individual butter spreader' a butter knife. OK? Around the dinner table, we don't refer to it as a 'hollow handle individual butter spreader'. We just call it a butter knife.


I'll say it again since you can't keep up. About the story of the law and the reason why common dinner knives ever got the rounded tip in the first place, it was National Geographic Channel - Modern marvels, Knives.

It's copyrighted material that I cannot provide you. I don't even have the ability to, since I viewed it through cable television programing.


Who really cares anyway about the history of the butter knife?

I've tried at every turn to be polite, now you are being rude.


I'm not going to be nice anymore. If you want to be a little brat, then take a butter knife, and kindly shove it up your ass.

 

[Ennui]

This is the knife I have. It is made of black Teflon coated 440 stainless steel, and the handle is made from aircraft grade aluminum.

Thread is now about what knives you guys use.

I use a pretty straightforward gerber as well. This isn't it, but it looks similar (3 inch folding lockblade).

 

[VirusType2]

Oh, let me show you guys a picture of the knife I brought to school.



http://www.knifesearch.com/images/co032.jpg

I just found out what it is:

WWI BRASS HANDLE TRENCH KNIFE. Replica of the World War One 1918 Trench Knife. Measures 11" overall. Features: 6.5" polished blade made from 420 J2 stainless steel, solid brass handle with knuckle guard, with "skull crusher" pommel. Full tang construction. Black metal sheath is included. NEW.
KF0060 . . . . .$24.95 ea.

A replica of course.

I never got my Mom to go to my school and get the knife back from the Principal.


I remember U.S. 1918 written on it and everything.

There is a nut on the end where the blade is attached to the spiked knuckles. The blade is threaded at the end and is held on by the nut. The blade is removable. I remember because I used to just carry around the brass knuckle part.

 

[sinkoman]

I remember in the sixth grade, I told a friend a story about going to the south pole and being able to line up penguins and just shoot them all down one by one with a gun, because penguins were just "that" stupid.

The teacher over heard, and somehow misconstrued to "I'm going to bring an automatic assault rifle to school and line up all of my classmates and shoot them down one by one".

They pulled me from class and questioned me. I remember the principal kept telling me "If you talk about bringing a gun to school again, I WILL call the police".

I responded with the truth. "But uh, I didn't say I was going to bring a gun to school..."

He comes back, "I know you didn't, but if you say it again, i'm going to call the police"

"BUT I DIDN'T SAY IT!"

"HEY! CALM DOWN! I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SAY IT, BUT IF YOU SAY IT AGAIN, I AM NOT SCARED TO CALL THE POLICE AND HAVE THEM ARREST YOU!!!"

This went on for about five minutes before I figured "**** it" and nodded my head.

 

[Jintor]

SEE? I KNEW YOU SAID IT! Intranetproof.

 

[CptStern]

The girl may very well have problems, or be trying to emulate something she saw on TV.

..ya like in those tv shows where there's a family sitting at the table cutting their food, omg the inhumanity! she learned it from the tv! come on, I'm for more safeguarding but this is ridiculous, she's 10 years old ..do the authorities consider what this arrest and media attetion might do to her? guess that doesnt matter so long as parents think the authorities are doing something to stem the tide of school shootings/vicious knife attacks from 10 yr old girls ..it's an epidemic



wonder if they would have done anything had she been using a plastic knife ..I have a few of those plastic fork/knife/salt/pepper/towelette thbngies in my desk ..dum dum dummmmmm

 

[Ennui]

Oh, let me show you guys a picture of the knife I brought to school.



http://www.knifesearch.com/images/co032.jpg

I just found out what it is:


A replica of course.

I never got my Mom to go to my school and get the knife back from the Principal.


I remember U.S. 1918 written on it and everything.

There is a nut on the end where the blade is attached to the spiked knuckles. The blade is threaded at the end and is held on by the nut. The blade is removable. I remember because I used to just carry around the brass knuckle part.

See, THAT is the kind of thing that reasonably elicits worry when a young child brings it to school... not something the kid is using to cut their food.

 

[Seppo]

i think that's pretty handy. it's even got those holes for fingers so it doesn't slip if there's butter all over it.

 

[TheSock]

i think that's pretty handy. it's even got those holes for fingers so it doesn't slip if there's butter all over it.

HAHAHA well done

 

[VirusType2]

..ya like in those tv shows where there's a family sitting at the table cutting their food, omg the inhumanity! she learned it from the tv! come on, I'm for more safeguarding but this is ridiculous, she's 10 years old ..do the authorities consider what this arrest and media attetion might do to her? guess that doesnt matter so long as parents think the authorities are doing something to stem the tide of school shootings/vicious knife attacks from 10 yr old girls ..it's an epidemic

No, I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a Stephen King movie. Or check out her room and all her dolls are missing heads. No seriously everyone, please read my entire response before singling out one line and commenting.

Just because you may (or may not) be sane, doesn't mean everyone else is.

Anytime anyone brings a weapon to school, I think a little assessment is a good idea and it hurts no one. I swear. It's people like some of you that don't look closely when things slap you in the face.

Sometimes a kid does talk about bringing a gun to school, and he really is planning it, or ends up really doing it. Why disregard something that deserves to be looked into? I'm not comparing this little girl to the psycho that was involved in the school shooting at VT this year, but if only they had investigated the warning signs, that incredible misfortune could have been prevented.

I've met a handful of people that mutilate animals and such. I even know of people that claim to have killed someone before, and they look like you and me. Honestly, there isn't enough information available to us to be able to analyze any further. I say we let the people involved handle it.


It's pretty clear that she didn't mean any harm, but just because I didn't mean any harm when I bring a pocket knife on board a passenger jet, doesn't mean it's acceptable.

Anyway, what ill effects can this attention really have on this poor little 'victim'? You guys act like she will be damaged forever because she was counciled about bringing weapons to school.

So the whole Nation should have heard, "hey, do you know how much trouble you can get into for bringing a knife to school?" And so I guess we should have less incidents right?

wonder if they would have done anything had she been using a plastic knife ..I have a few of those plastic fork/knife/salt/pepper/towelette thbngies in my desk ..dum dum dummmmmm

OK OK, stop the joking. I know you don't believe that a plastic spork is equivalent to a steak knife? I'm sure the number of accidental lacerations from a McDonald's plastic knife is staggering.

 

[CptStern]

No, I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a Stephen King movie. Or check out her room and all her dolls are missing heads.

you've been watching/reading too much stephen king ..the chances of that are very small ..you know that age-old saying "the obvious answer is [sometimes] the correct answer"

Just because you may (or may not) be sane, doesn't mean everyone else is.

she's 10 years old ..trust me if she had a screw loose someone would have noticed long ago ..kids arent very good at hiding their emotions at that age

I've met a handful of people that mutilate animals and such. I even know of people that claim to have killed someone before, and they look like you and me. Honestly, there isn't enough information available to us to be able to analyze any further. I say we let the people involved handle it.

sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct answer ..the chances of her being a steak knife wielding 10 year old homicidal maniac a la Chucky albeit not made of plastic are next to nil

It's pretty clear that she didn't mean any harm, but just because I didn't mean any harm when I bring a pocket knife on board a passenger jet, doesn't mean it's acceptable.

horses for courses ..a knife threatens the lives of every single person on that plane ... how many 12 year olds does it take to subdue a 10 year old?

Anyway, what ill effects can this attention really have on this poor little 'victim'? You guys act like she will be damaged forever because she was counciled about bringing weapons to school.

she was arrested and came to national attention ..and the fact that you've put a quote marks leads me to believe that you think she's guilty of something or other ..not quite sure what

So the whole Nation should have heard, "hey, do you know how much trouble you can get into for bringing a knife to school?" And so I guess we should have less incidents right?

ya well the other nations laugh at your nation's crazy paranoia

OK OK, stop the joking. I know you don't believe that a plastic spork is equivalent to a steak knife? I'm sure the number of accidental lacerations from a McDonald's plastic knife is staggering.

mortality rates involving plastic knives went down dramatically with the introduction of the spork ..however mortality rates for the spork skyrocketed



btw, beware of babes with knives

I'll ****ing cut you mother****er

 

[VirusType2]

mortality rates involving plastic knives went down dramatically with the introduction of the spork ..however mortality rates for the spork skyrocketed

Hahah that's pretty funny.


Well, I see you don't want to tangle with the Virginia Tech point I made, which was my main argument, hence I put it in bold.

You can't just assume from your telescope that everyone is innocent. That's all I'm saying. You guys are just as oblivious to reality as much as you think I am.

30% of middle schoolers admitted that they routinely (daily?) carry knives. That is 1 out of 3 children are armed. Luckily schools have metal detectors and wands now, so we mainly have to worry about Sporks now.

A MORI Survey for the Youth Justice Board found that 29% of Secondary School-children, along with 57% of those excluded admitted to routinely carrying knives. Correspondingly, our Hospitals report a rise in stab wounds

Reasons for it include:

* Fear and/or self-protection/defence.
* To steal, by threats to harm (often to fund a drug habit).
* Harass, intimidate or even for ?kicks?
* Peer pressure.
* To command ?Respect? and status

A knife incident happens every 25 minutes - 4 in 5 offenders aged between 12 years - 20 years and a third of victims aged between 10 years - 17 years!

as I've said, being arrested does not mean the individual will be charged.

Arrested means to STOP them. It does not lead down a path to hell as some of you seem to think. Besides, a child's record is expunged at 18 years old.

Kids are being killed. It's not just school lunches that are being cut.

A 14-year-old boy has been injured with a knife at his Brighton school.

The teenager's hand was cut after the incident in a class at Longhill High School in Rottingdean.

He was taken to hospital but wasn't thought to be seriously hurt and he was later discharged, police said.

Sussex Police said a 13-year-old boy was arrested.

He was released on bail as police continue to investigate.


A spokeswoman for the school, which has about 1,200 pupils, said a craft knife was used.

The stabbing comes about a week after teenager Luke Walmsley, 14, was stabbed to death at his school

Kids can be just as dangerous as adults. First - they are hugely influenced by their peers. Second, they know they will get off easy because they are children. Third, they can be quite foolish.

There are 204,000 articles on the internet concerning incidents just like this one:

A BOY aged 15 was in hospital with knife wounds to the stomach after a stabbing yesterday in a school lavatory. Another boy aged 15 was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after the incident at Stradbroke High School in Stradbroke, near Framlingham, Suffolk. He was being questioned at Bury St Edmunds police station last night.

 

[Solaris]

There is a massive difference between a 15year old boy bringing a knife to school and a ten year old little girl.

Arresting a ten year old little girl is ridiculous. I hope the officers felt proud, I wonder if it took two of them.

 

[Baserape>]

The officers should have tazed her, sprayed her with pepper spray and kicked in the crotch for good measure. Zero tolerance is the only option in todays world.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

I read that expecting it be a small knife, but they mentioned stake knife, and im imagining her pulling out this huge ****ing stake knife out of her bag to cut like a sandwich or something. She shouldn't have gotten arrested really, but what the **** didn't she think people would have a problem with her pulling out a damn stake knife

 

[Solaris]

Steak nives are just sharper normal knives....

 

[Moonraker]

thats just stupid, really. i dont care what anyone thinks, but bringing a knife to cut food is not a crime. it does not require an assessment, its nobodys business really, and if it was bothering the teacher or other students or staff, they could have told her the rules and taken it till her. its not a big deal. i probably brought steak knives to school to eat leftovers before.

VirusType2 : you should probably be stabbed with a butter knife. if you dont know what i mean by that, then you shouldnt be in here.

 

[Adrik_Senturu]

Steak nives are just sharper normal knives....

Im just imagining this gigantic steak knife and I cant get it out of my head D:

D:

 

[VirusType2]

I've had a 13 year old threaten my life with a shotgun before. I tell you quite honestly, I would have felt safer if he was older.

There is a massive difference between a 15year old boy bringing a knife to school and a ten year old little girl.

That was only one example from the hundreds. I'm fairly certain I could find a case where someone around 10 years old stabbed, cut, or even murdered a classmate.

Besides, you realize you are saying that 'there is a massive difference between a 15 year old bringing a gun to school and a 10 year old bringing a gun to school?'

The 5 year age difference and the sex is pretty much irrelevant don't you think?

VirusType2 : you should probably be stabbed with a butter knife. if you dont know what i mean by that, then you shouldnt be in here.

Come over and try it you little jack-off. I'm bored anyway. PM me if you want to take it there. Otherwise shut your little cocksucker.

Here is you:

hi im new. love half life.

no you go away.

lol.

 

[CptStern]

Hahah that's pretty funny.

Well, I see you don't want to tangle with the Virginia Tech point I made, which was my main argument, hence I put it in bold.

you edited it in after I posted ..and the Vtech murderer was investigated ..in fact he was court ordered to have a psychological assessment on 2 separate occasions and he was still able to purchase not one but two handguns on two separate occasions ...regardless the vtech murder and a 10 year old cutting her steak with a knife isnt the same thing

You can't just assume from your telescope that everyone is innocent. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying everyone is innocent I'm saying the likelihood of her posing a danger is slim at best ..if chances were good then you'd have been able to find multiple examples of massacres perpetrated by steak-knife wielding 10 year olds

You guys are just as oblivious to reality as much as you think I am.

what reality? the reality is that massacres perpetrated by 10 year olds carrying steak knifes are next to non existent

30% of middle schoolers admitted that they routinely (daily?) carry knives.

technically a middle schooler is 11 - 16 years old ..this girl is 10

That is 1 out of 3 children are armed.

and what's the percentage of knife attacks in middle school? if 1 in 3 are carrying it then it should be pretty high ...no?

Arrested means to STOP them. It does not lead down a path to hell as some of you seem to think. Besides, a child's record is expunged at 18 years old.

it doesnt matter the shame is enough ..but for this to have national exposure it makes it worse ..regardless if she doesnt suffer any adverse effects the threat is still there ..did they have to arrest her? I dont know the circumstances but I'm sure she surrendered it voluntarily

curious would you have advocated that the police shoot her had she been uncooperative?

Kids are being killed. It's not just school lunches that are being cut.

no one is disputing that ...however where do we draw the line at paranoia? I mean will kindergarden kids be frisked before entering class? will they have "duck and cover" excercises? this mass hysteria has gotten out of hand

Kids can be just as dangerous as adults. First - they are hugely influenced by their peers. Second, they know they will get off easy because they are children. Third, they can be quite foolish.

come on .. it's a 10 year old girl ...I could easily take on at least a dozen if not more if neccessary, they weigh next to nothing

There are 204,000 articles on the internet concerning incidents just like this one:

15 year old boy =/= to 10 year old girl ..and in the UK no less


look you have some points; schools should be vigilent, but this is like dropping a nuke in order to kill a single person ..the hysteria around this sort of thing is mind numbing ..especially since no one is willing to look at the faciliators that make school/shopping mall massacres possible ..I'll leave what it is unsaid

Im just imagining this gigantic steak knife and I cant get it out of my head D:

D:

you call that a steak knife? that's not a steak knife, THIS is a steak knife

notice it's slightly bigger than the butter knife?

 

[VirusType2]

come on .. it's a 10 year old girl ...I could easily take on at least a dozen if not more if neccessary, they weigh next to nothing

lol. OK that did it for me, I fold. I just picture children flying through the air in all directions from your wild berserker attack.


Thing is though, it's not you taking them on Captain Superhero, it's 10 year old classmates.

 

[CptStern]

lol. OK that did it for me, I fold.

I bet with you on my side we could probably take on .....2 dozen 10 year old school girls

 

[VirusType2]

I bet with you on my side we could probably take on .....2 dozen 10 year old school girls

I don't know... One good bite to the groin and I'm done. Protect the jewels at all costs.

 

[Pesmerga]

That's not a knife...

That's a knife!

 

[CptStern]

I don't know... One good bite to the groin and I'm done. Protect the jewels at all costs.

not too worry, I'm prepared for such an eventuality

/pulls down pants


before ...

after ...

you gotta come prepared to these things

 

[Moonraker]

Come over and try it you little jack-off. I'm bored anyway. PM me if you want to take it there. Otherwise shut your little cocksucker.

Here is you:



lol.

LOL i didnt think so.

 

[VirusType2]

LOL i didnt think so.

come on man, be real. I could get tetanus or gangrene or something from a butter knife. I could be maimed. You've got a chance.

 

[Seppo]

I think this thread is about done

 

[VirusType2]

I think this thread is about done

this thread has been done ever since 'the butter knife incident'. That of which we do not speak of after now.

 

[Moonraker]

come on man, be real. I could get tetanus or gangrene or something from a butter knife. I could be maimed. You've got a chance.

yes you are right, see now you are getting it.