Understanding females - Hl2.net verison

[Druckles]

depending on age of those involved and where they are in life ..save serious relationships for when you're ready, have fun now

Unfortunately the "have fun now" part isn't exactly easy. If you're in a relationship where you love the person deeply, and you feel like they feel the same back, and you've been in a steady relationship for several months, you're still going ask "Why don't I understand him/her" constantly. If you know that if you break up you're not going to get anyone else... what's the point in breaking up? Even pre-uni?

Oh, and it's not women who you can't understand. Nor just men. It's the fact that they're just a totally different person, not a totally different gender, that matters. I'm pretty sure the same happens with gay couples. Neither understanding each other. You can't easily understand someone else like you can yourself, because you can't know what they're thinking. You only notice it with the opposite sex because they're the only people you want to understand.

 

[repiV]

Women are a lot like... guacamole.

CptStern is right about this, folks- women, love, and all that jazz are something learned in time. It's hard to give specific advice because each person is different, and sometimes even general advice like "Be the alpha male" can be a little misleading.

There are innocent relationships out there, and there are people who just want to have a companion and not screw them over. There are some women who fall in love with absolute dorks, or some men who find beauty where others only see mediocrity. There's not a lot one can say to help people, but I think I have one piece of advice that applies to everyone-

do not be afraid to do the right thing.

Sure, there are women who fall in love with dorks. But they aren't gonna be the best women.
I'm not saying that you need to be an alpha male to get women, I'm saying it makes things infinitely easier. Think of it this way - casting aside proper relationships for simplicity, take a night out or whatever - the alpha male is the equivalent of the incredibly hot chick. The incredibly hot chick is guaranteed action and has many available choices. So does the alpha male.
The ugly chick will still get laid sometimes, as will the nice guy, but they don't get the quality or the quantity.

It's actually pretty damn simple when you understand it and cast aside all that bullshit you grew up with like "take her to a nice dinner" and "buy her flowers". You should only buy nice things for a woman when she's earned it, otherwise she'll lose respect for you. As she will if you pretend to agree with her just because she's attractive. See what I'm getting at? You don't have to be nasty to women, you just shouldn't be nice to them to a greater extent than they deserve at that moment in time. I don't like arselickers either, so it's no surprise women don't - and the typical dating behaviour of most men is arselicking.
Think about it.

 

[Druckles]

Sure, there are women who fall in love with dorks. But they aren't gonna be the best women.

You're assuming the people on this forum aren't. You expect them to stick with "not the best"?

 

[repiV]

You're assuming the people on this forum aren't. You expect them to stick with "not the best"?

How do you mean?

 

[lun4tic]

I understand females perfectly. They're crazy, and that's all you really need to know to understand them. Most, if not all, are bisexual which has been proven with science and alchohol.

De plus, they lack an enzyme in their stomachs that men have that help break down alchohol, so they get drunk quicker. Use that to your advantage, because I'm sure most of them don't know this yet. Science hasn't quite caught on with them.

 

[Phobie]

Hey, dorks are the best kind of guy. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[CptStern]

Unfortunately the "have fun now" part isn't exactly easy. If you're in a relationship where you love the person deeply, and you feel like they feel the same back, and you've been in a steady relationship for several months

I apologise profusely but you dont have a clue as to what you're talking about ..no offense ..I mean "love deeply" , "after a few months" cancels each other out ..love, the love you feel intensely fades after awhile to replaced by something that burns less bright but for much longer ..like a slow steady flame

you're still going ask "Why don't I understand him/her" constantly. If you know that if you break up you're not going to get anyone else... what's the point in breaking up? Even pre-uni?

but that's not love ..staying with someone for lack of someone else is just being selfish ...besides why are you even talking about love in highschool? why bother staying with one person when there's a very very good chance that person wont be around for very long ..puppy love/first loves rarely make it in the long term ..now for every rule there's bound to be people who break that rule but again it's rare

Oh, and it's not women who you can't understand. Nor just men. It's the fact that they're just a totally different person, not a totally different gender, that matters.

sure but people have gender specific traits, you start seeing patterns of gender specific behaviour after multiple partners

I'm pretty sure the same happens with gay couples. Neither understanding each other. You can't easily understand someone else like you can yourself, because you can't know what they're thinking. You only notice it with the opposite sex because they're the only people you want to understand.

ya but that's just basic relationships because the same could be said between friends, coworkers etc

 

[Darkside55]

Of course, you also have to consider how many times someone can get hurt without being turned into a smouldering wreck of a person. I'm pretty sure the threshold is different for everyone.

It's not how many, it's the degree of severity.

think "alpha male".

I'm an alpha male, and girls want to **** alpha males. Let it piss you off as much as you want, but you know it's completely true. That girl you like who is kinda cute in a weird way, but is totally sweet and you have the biggest crush on? The one who keeps going back to guys who treat her wrong for reasons you don't understand? The one who calls you up at 1 am to cry about how her boyfriend hasn't called her in three days, and no matter how long you'll listen to her, she'll never think of you as anything other than asexual? The one who will curl up to you on the couch, hug you close, kiss you on the cheek, and never let you ****ing touch her beyond that?

Yeah, I'm ****ing her.

The hot girl who won't even look at you when you nod at them and smile? The one who laughs when you trip in the hallway and drop your stuff? The one who comes up and coyly asks for your help with her homework, and then pretends you don't exist once you finish?

Yeah, I'm ****ing her too, even harder.

The geeky girl you think might be enough like you that you have a chance with her? She plays warcraft on your server, and watches anime, and reads comics? She's so incredible and you just love her so much but you still haven't worked up the courage to tell her how you feel about her?

Guess who just sucked me off and told me they'll always love me?

And what's more? I laugh at guys like you. When you cry about how much girls treat you bad, and wonder why they just can't see that you're a nice guy who would always treat them right? I nod and tell you to hang in there, you'll find someone right for you someday, don't give up hope man. But inside? I'm laughing my ass off at you you pathetic ****. Every girl you set your sights on, who isn't a disgusting pig-monster, I'm going to **** 6 ways from sunday before you even tell her you think she's cute. I won't bother trying when you finally settle for that 350 pound girl who works at hardees, you can have that. Anything else I'm going to cum on her face before you get those lips near it.

And the biggest reason I laugh? It's not me doing this. It's the girls. When you cry about how lonely you are? Or talk about how you just want to curl up and disappear, and all that emo bullshit? You're triggering her "Don't ****" instinct something fierce. You're a miserable weak coward, why would she want your genes? Feel free to buy her a new computer and help decorate her apartment, you're great for that. But her baby-maker is barking orders at her, telling her to wrap her legs around me and hold on for as long as she can. She needs it, on a primal level you'll never get to see first hand, even if you do get a chance to **** her. Sooner or later one of them will lay back and spread their legs, but you won't see any hunger in their eyes. They won't beg you to love them forever and make them yours. You won't know what it's like to see her animal side needing you as much as she needs to eat and breath

And she's cheating on you, I promise you that. When she sits around quiet and uncomfortable, wanting you to just back away and leave her alone, it's not her period. It's because I haven't called her for a day or two and her instincts are telling her to go find me. The primitive section of her brain doesn't want to risk smelling like another man when she gives herself to me, she wants me to know she's completely mine. We do things she tells you she never would. Her pooper? Mine. I want to give her a facial? Of course. I want her to suck the cum out of my dick, even though I just finished pumping away at her ass? she's never going to tell me no. She doesn't WNAT to tell me no. She wants me to know she'll do anything it takes to keep me. She'll rim my ass while she's down there sucking me off if it means pleasing me. She'll drink my cum from a shotglass. She'll wear a buttplug when we go out to dinner. She'll sleep handcuffed to my headboard. Anything.

And then she'll go home to you and tell you she's not in the mood today.

I'd say you should become an hero, but you being aruond makes her want a real man all the more, so keep fagging it up emo bitches, I'll keep that pussy warm while you're crying in the corner.




This has been a dramatic copypasta brought to you by [Darkside]Emperor. It probably cost him three infractions, so you're welcome.

 

[repiV]

Hey, dorks are the best kind of guy. Let's not kid ourselves.

Hang out at Games Workshop for a while. You'll be in heaven.

 

[Phobie]

Hang out at Games Workshop for a while. You'll be in heaven.

Perhaps I should have said, "within reason"

 

[repiV]

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He seems like more of a jerk to me though. To put it politely...

 

[Druckles]

I apologise profusely but you dont have a clue as to what you're talking about ..no offense ..I mean "love deeply" , "after a few months" cancels each other out ..love, the love you feel intensely fades after awhile to replaced by something that burns less bright but for much longer ..like a slow steady flame

That's the love I'm referring to. You're still going to ask why you don't understand someone. After a 22-month-long relationship, I still found myself finding parts of the person I barely understood.

but that's not love ..staying with someone for lack of someone else is just being selfish

I was referring to your statement where if you start wondering why you don't understand them, move on to someone else. I was asking whether you meant that, even in a relationship that's working.

...besides why are you even talking about love in highschool? why bother staying with one person when there's a very very good chance that person wont be around for very long ..puppy love/first loves rarely make it in the long term ..now for every rule there's bound to be people who break that rule but again it's rare

Again, because it's nice. And because, while it might last, it's better than breaking up painfully and then finding yourself alone.

ya but that's just basic relationships because the same could be said between friends, coworkers etc

But no-one notices it because they don't really care like they do when its someone they want to spend an excessive amount of time with. It's that reason why threads like this start up. Because we're not psychic.

Yeah, I'm ****ing her. * too many

You're a jerk.

 

[Darkside55]

He seems like more of a jerk to me though. To put it politely...

Coolguy is THE alpha male, from which all other alpha males are distilled.

 

[repiV]

Perhaps I should have said, "within reason"

But you'll miss out on all these focused, clammy guys begging you to blow on their dice for good luck so their +2 Space Marines can finish the most important battle of their lives.

 

[repiV]

Coolguy is THE alpha male, from which all other alpha males are distilled.

Is Coolguy an alias for Maddox? Because, you know, Maddox is a ****.

 

[Darkside55]

Man if nothing else you know that guys at Games Workshop are rolling. Seriously, those little miniatures are so expensive, and all the paints they need and the terrain stuff...dough for days.

And no, rep, Coolguy is Coolguy. He's no one's alias, especially not Maddox.

 

[Druckles]

Oh god, Warhammer is awesome.

Weren't you complaining, in another topic, that you couldn't get a girlfriend?

 

[CptStern]

I'm an alpha male, and girls want to **** alpha males.

that's the key right there ....girls


women are not girls, girls wear bubble gum scented lipgloss, crimp their hair and go out with guys who have titles after there name like "captain of the football team" etc


women on the other hand date men who's obvious atributes might not be immediately apparent ..ever run into a guy who may be mediocre looking yet has a gorgeous wife/mate, doesnt drive a fancy car or is made of money? that person may have something the "alpha male" may have nver had a reason to develop: a personality ..same goes with hot women ..many of them are completely one dimensional and in the log term one dimensionality isnt enough to sustain interest ..she may be hot now but what will she provide you when she's 40? 50? 60? ..you dont want to be stuck with someone who at one time might have been very good looking but now couldnt strike up an intelligent conversation if their life depended on it


so in conclusions, geeks rejoice, there is hope ..and the hope doesnt rely on becoming rich or good looking, just treat women like anyone else, develop a personality people are attracted to and sooner or later they will beat a path to your door



- Stern, former geek

 

[Druckles]

No, that wasn't me. You must be mistaking me for someone else. I'm a hot stud with eighty women in my room right now. I'm definitely not reading up Wikipedia articles on fictional alien species from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

Which means you're probably looking for the wrong girl.

I know this girl, actually. Over the internet. You should hook up with her. She lives in London. And is constantly complaining how not enough people are dorks.
She's quite loud, but I'm sure that won't be a problem. I don't know her much, but she's 18/19ish. And drinks wine.

so in conclusions, geeks rejoice, there is hope ..and the hope doesnt rely on becoming rich or good looking, just treat women like anyone else, develop a personality people are attracted to and sooner or later they will beat a path to your door

:O

You're joking...

- Stern, former geek

Wait... what happened to you?

 

[Acepilotf14]

No, that wasn't me. You must be mistaking me for someone else. I'm a hot stud with eighty women in my room right now. I'm definitely not reading up Wikipedia articles on fictional alien species from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

That's me.

 

[Phobie]

But you'll miss out on all these focused, clammy guys begging you to blow on their dice for good luck so their +2 Space Marines can finish the most important battle of their lives.

I'd be cheering 'em on. I know nothing about Warhammer though unfortunately. If...that is what you're talking about.

I know this girl, actually. Over the internet. You should hook up with her. She lives in London. And is constantly complaining how not enough people are dorks.
She's quite loud, but I'm sure that won't be a problem. I don't know her much, but she's 18/19ish. And drinks wine.

Lol'd. Yeah I heard that chick drinks wine an awful lot.

 

[repiV]

Oh god, Warhammer is awesome.

Actually it is. I've got a 2000pt Eldar army laying around somewhere.

99% of the people who play it are complete wankers though. Some of the reasons I gave it up:

- people talking to their models
- smelly pedantic tossers with no social skills or sense of humour whatsoever
- we usually went to the pub afterwards and once I got sandwiched between ubernerd #1 and ubernerd #2, and had to listen to a discussion about the defensive capabilities of the Hive Fleets around Terra for a whole freakin' hour.
- the only female who went along to the games nights was treated like an object of fascination, and she wasn't even attractive. Not that fascinating, either.

If there were more normal, well-adjusted people who played it, I'd happily go back to it. Frankly I don't see what's geeky about the game itself, it's just a boardgame. The image probably keeps more normal people from playing it.

 

[Druckles]

I never got Warhammer.

I thought it was pointless. I played it once, the rules were way too complicated, and everyone seemed to make them up as they went along. And then I found out they painted them all themselves. Then I left.

Oh, and it's ridiculously expensive. I'd prefer to be spending that money on a woman.

 

[repiV]

I'd be cheering 'em on. I know nothing about Warhammer though unfortunately. If...that is what you're talking about.

Don't worry, they've got six hours to spare to teach you everything you need to know about the game and all the backstory behind it.

You can't go far wrong if you dress up as an elf though.

 

[CptStern]

:O

You're joking...

no

Wait... what happened to you?

I stopped being a geek

You can't go far wrong if you dress up as an elf though

although this will pretty much guarentee you'll never get laid

 

[repiV]

I never got Warhammer.

I thought it was pointless. I played it once, the rules were way too complicated, and everyone seemed to make them up as they went along. And then I found out they painted them all themselves. Then I left.

Oh, and it's ridiculously expensive. I'd prefer to be spending that money on a woman.

They're complicated to start with, but when you learn how to play you realise they're actually too simplistic. They probably made the rules up as they went along because you didn't know any better and they wanted to take advantage of your ignorance to win. They're tossers like that.
It is, however, ridiculously expensive. I played it for a matter of months and there were three price hikes in that time. And I can't be arsed with all that painting shit either, I just wanted to play the damn game.

The women can spend their own money. Mine goes on tyres and petrol. And er, repairs...

 

[Acepilotf14]

Actually it is. I've got a 2000pt Eldar army laying around somewhere.

99% of the people who play it are complete wankers though. Some of the reasons I gave it up:

- people talking to their models
- smelly pedantic tossers with no social skills or sense of humour whatsoever
- we usually went to the pub afterwards and once I got sandwiched between ubernerd #1 and ubernerd #2, and had to listen to a discussion about the defensive capabilities of the Hive Fleets around Terra for a whole freakin' hour.
- the only female who went along to the games nights was treated like an object of fascination, and she wasn't even attractive. Not that fascinating, either.

If there were more normal, well-adjusted people who played it, I'd happily go back to it. Frankly I don't see what's geeky about the game itself, it's just a boardgame. The image probably keeps more normal people from playing it.

Mmmm, the games workshop near me is like that. The one female staff member quit to go work somewhere else, and if there are any other females it's someones sister who doesn't give a shit about it. I mostly talked to one guy when we ate about what we should do in the next game we would play, but I mean we do have some fun, and most people are quite funny, especcially this one kid with an afro who got the new paint set before I did on the first day it was out. I got the second one. .. I was there right at the opening hour, too. He was also smack talking mah Tau battlesuits. And dude, Terra doesn't need defence! The Emporer can just think them away!

I basically just cemented my nerdiness, didn't I?

I agree about the expanded universe and KOTOR, Sea. I even bought the ultimate star wars chronology.. Damn Rakatans.

 

[repiV]

although this will pretty much guarentee you'll never get laid

No, if a woman dresses up as an elf and goes to Games Workshop, she's guaranteed to get laid.

 

[Druckles]

I stopped being a geek

Any reason?

They're complicated to start with, but when you learn how to play you realise they're actually too simplistic. They probably made the rules up as they went along because you didn't know any better and they wanted to take advantage of your ignorance to win. They're tossers like that.
It is, however, ridiculously expensive. I played it for a matter of months and there were three price hikes in that time. And I can't be arsed with all that painting shit either, I just wanted to play the damn game.

That's why I like FPSs. I can just sit down and "play the damn game"

The women can spend their own money. Mine goes on tyres and petrol. And er, repairs...

They like it when you spend money on them. It gets you attention. And, to be honest, sex.

Disclaimer: Exchaning money for sexual intercourse is not morally accepted.

Edit:

Still, I love Star Wars, though I don't read the books. After playing Knights of the Old Republic I realised that the Expanded Universe is about a million times more interesting than the films, though, that actually discusses important themes and moral questions relevant to our present. Screw George Lucas.

I stopped reading Star Wars books. And I don't know why. Probably because they were damn expensive.

Online relationships with people I don't know? No thanks. London? Too far away, and chances of her being hideous increase exponentially if she's from there. Loud and drunk? No thanks; I don't drink and can't stand most people that go out of their way to produce excessive amounts of noise.

I'm not going to mention who I was referring to

No, if a woman dresses up as an elf and goes to Games Workshop, she's guaranteed to get laid.

Urgh... depends on your definition on "laid".

 

[repiV]

Actually, I've never played Warhammer save for the Dawn of War games, which are quite good, really.

Yeah, Dawn of War is fantastic. That's what got me into 40k.

Stayed up all night playing DoW 2v2v2v2s that lasted over four hours many times...damn that was fun.

 

[Acepilotf14]

This thread grows too fast.

 

[CptStern]

Any reason?

...I dont know, I developed a personality that didnt involve talking about comics or other geeky pasttimes ..the geek in me was still there but I just became social

Seriously... why?!

because most females hate anything to do with star wars or lord of the rings or anything even remotely resembling fantasy or science fiction ..those that like those types of things are women-geeks ..you may get lucky with them but I'm talking about getting it on with the average woman ..women only tolerate those things from males but mostly they like stuff involving real life, relationships etc ..of course I'm over generalising but for the most part it's true, women are far more grounded in reality than men are and their imagination suffers for it

btw on risk of offending some members ...as a golden rule Star wars should absolutely nver be discussed outside of geek circles ..even as a fan of science fiction I recognise the utter geekiness of anything to do with star wars ..liking it is ok but to avoid being unfairly judge, just keep it to yourself ...nothing kills romantic interest like

geek: "so where do you want to go to dinner, I hear that new star wars themed restuarant is cool"

female taking chance by dating geek: <makes mental note that she will not be getting lucky tonight>

 

[repiV]

That's why I like FPSs. I can just sit down and "play the damn game"

Aye.

They like it when you spend money on them. It gets you attention. And, to be honest, sex.

Disclaimer: Exchaning money for sexual intercourse is not morally accepted.

It doesn't, though. The vast majority of guys throw money at women, you stand out by not doing so. Personally it's not just an issue of "game", for me it's the principle - why the hell should I spend money on a woman without having a good reason to do so? Why should I pick up the cheque? Just because I'm the man? That's a right scam.
The chances are she earns as much as or more than I do, given that I usually date slightly older women, and simply attending a date does not in itself entitle her to a free dinner.
Equality goes both ways. It's not that I mind spending money on a woman, in moderation, but it's the women who expect to have money thrown at them that disgust me. They're just prostitutes in denial, and they're so damn sure they deserve to have everything without giving anything.

Urgh... depends on your definition on "laid".

She gets laid twice. Once in the back seat of the geekmobile, and once in a grave. They love their snuff movies.

 

[CptStern]

No, if a woman dresses up as an elf and goes to Games Workshop, she's guaranteed to get laid.

only if she has incredibly low standards

...and that's like saying throwing a grenade into a packed room is going to hurt someone. Female elves to geeks is like drowning in musk oil, eating oysters by the bucket full and painting a giant bullseye above the woman in question


persoanlly I wouldnt date those kind of women as geeky females are just as annoying as geeky males, only worse because being women, they've never been told their geekiness is annoying

 

[Druckles]

...I dont know, I developed a personality that didnt involve talking about comics or other geeky pasttimes ..the geek in me was still there but I just became social

But you still have the geekiness. That's what counts. You can still be sociable and have geeky tendancies. Posting on these boards is one, for a start.

because most females hate anything to do with

Sorry, thought you were answering a different question. And yeah, it's almost definite 'laying' for a girl.

btw on risk of offending some members ...as a golden rule Star wars should absolutely nver be discussed outside of geek circles ..even as a fan of science fiction I recognise the utter geekiness of anything to do with star wars ..liking it is ok but to avoid being unfairly judge, just keep it to yourself ...nothing kills romantic interest like

I wouldn't dream of it... urgh. Learnt that lesson a while ago.

It doesn't, though. The vast majority of guys throw money at women, you stand out by not doing so. Personally it's not just an issue of "game", for me it's the principle - why the hell should I spend money on a woman without having a good reason to do so? Why should I pick up the cheque?

No, I mean spending the money, not on a first date, but on someone who you already have a relationship with. Relationship technique #32 btw

She gets laid twice. Once in the back seat of the geekmobile, and once in a grave. They love their snuff movies.

 

[repiV]

only if she has incredibly low standards

...and that's like saying throwing a grenade into a packed room is going to hurt someone. Female elves to geeks is like drowning in musk oil, eating oysters by the bucket full and painting a giant bullseye above the woman in question


persoanlly I wouldnt date those kind of women as geeky females are just as annoying as geeky males, only worse because being women, they've never been told their geekiness is annoying

Any woman who dresses up as an elf and hangs around at Games Workshop has low standards by definition.
I think slightly geeky women can be very attractive. in a girl-next-door kind of way. It depends.

 

[Darkside55]

..ever run into a guy who may be mediocre looking yet has a gorgeous wife/mate, doesnt drive a fancy car or is made of money?

No.

that person may have something the "alpha male" may have nver had a reason to develop: a personality ..same goes with hot women

Pussy > Personality.

..many of them are completely one dimensional and in the log term one dimensionality isnt enough to sustain interest ..she may be hot now but what will she provide you when she's 40? 50? 60?

When she's 40, 50, 60, she'll be old and gross. She will have nothing to provide and that's when I scream out, "MID-LIFE CRISIS," slap that bitch, liquidate my possessions and buy a fancy car and pick up some OH-SO-SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET blonde pigtailed highschool girls wearing that bubblegum lipgloss. Who wants to take a ride in daddy's car, you little sluts? Oh yes, you do, YOU do, don't you?

so in conclusions, geeks rejoice, there is hope ..and the hope doesnt rely on becoming rich or good looking, just treat women like anyone else, develop a personality people are attracted to and sooner or later they will beat a path to your door

Geeks rejoice, one day you'll find a mediocre-looking girl who, as time goes by and you realize she's the best option you'll ever find, eventually starts looking hot as Heather Locklear and you'll think she's the best thing on Earth.

And by the time you're old enough, girls WILL be beating a path to your door--but they're all going to be middle-aged cougars who've come to realize they'll never find the guy they really want, and their biological clock is ticking, and their mothers are harping them telling them they're never going to get married and they should probably just give up hope on grandkids and then one day you're at a bar for no reason and she's like, "Well, he doesn't seem TOO repugnant" and the next thing you know you drive off in your company sedan and you wake up the next morning and her panties are on the floor and you look at her while she's asleep and you're like, "Could've done worse."

Then in the morning you're looking at her over breakfast and she's thinking the same thing about you, and it's an awkward silence at your little kitchenette and she hastily grabs her clothes and heads out the door mumbling something about work, but you know she'll be back later because you're the best she can hope for at her age.

Plus, she left her panties on your floor.

 

[CptStern]

But you still have the geekiness. That's what counts. You can still be sociable and have geeky tendancies. Posting on these boards is one, for a start.

ya but I keep it to myself, I dont talk to people about video games unless they're gamers themselves ..the thing is that I spent many years outside of geek circles so I can blend into different situations when the occasion arises ..I can walk in both worlds without a problem

 

[repiV]

No, I mean spending the money, not on a first date, but on someone who you already have a relationship with. Relationship technique #32 btw

Ah right. Well that's different.
I just don't think it should be about money. But you might find magic happens if you reward her good behaviour and punish her bad behaviour.
No more bitchy temper tantrums if you refuse to pick up the pieces each time.
Usually people will treat you in the way you encourage them to...

 

[Acepilotf14]

I'll say it again; This thread grows too fast.