Violent scum

[Danimal]

$10 says video games will be blamed.

 

[Pax]

Do you offer ejaculations?

Only for you sweety

Only for you...

- Pax

 

[Kamikazie]

$10 says video games will be blamed.

I say $20 :|

Or Jack Thompson will come in and start some bullshit.

 

[Pax]

Jack thompson isnt really a major player anymore. He's just like a fly. You brush him off now and then.

- Pax

 

[Vegeta897]

$10 says video games will be blamed.

Or Jack Thompson will come in and start some bullshit.

What's the difference?

What Pax said.

 

[Raeven0]

In my republic, the people who opposed capital punishment would be the ones footing the bills for keeping these punks alive. Wouldn't that make sense?

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=ukstabbing.asx

Ah.
Just out of the blue, too. Seems pretty sick.

 

[Ennui]

In my republic, the people who opposed capital punishment would be the ones footing the bills for keeping these punks alive. Wouldn't that make sense?

In my republic, the people who support capital punishment are stranded on a desert island because they have the damn fool notion in their head that killing other people is okay.

 

[Lemonking]

oh ennui I didnt know %80 of all Americans could be sooooooo wrong,just because you think its wrong doesnt mean its wrong.


learn2execute.

 

[Fat Tony!]

What's the death sentence gonna do, make you feel better?

They aren't getting the death sentence though? Unless you refering to the "omg he should die" comments in the thread, if so i'd agree with your comment. I think prison is worse then death in the end, it's a more appropiate punishment, he'll die someday in prison why not prolong it.

oh ennui I didnt know %80 of all Americans could be sooooooo wrong,just because you think its wrong doesnt mean its wrong.

I don't think making up statistics is proving your point very well. It's an inappropiate punishment. Most of America are used to capital punishment so have grown to accept it, but in the end it's appauling and should be stopped. Lets be honest we used to think slavery was a good idea before, very few disagreed since they were used to it. Same thing.

 

[Ennui]

oh ennui I didnt know %80 of all Americans could be sooooooo wrong,just because you think its wrong doesnt mean its wrong.


learn2execute.

You are a ****ing idiot. I hate flaming, and I shouldn't, but you are absolutely retarded. It's not wrong? How is killing someone EVER not wrong? How is ending someone's life because it makes you feel like you've reached justice okay?

learn2execute. hah. learn2feel you dick. you do not want to make me this mad.

 

[Lemonking]

ahem...you kill someone you gottta pay,not with money, not with sitting in a room reading books...you pay the ultimate price...thats how it is in the US (most states) and thats how its gonna stay.

lemonking, say another thing like what i just edited out and you'll be banned for the what, 30th time - ennui

 

[Raeven0]

In my republic, the people who support capital punishment are stranded on a desert island because they have the damn fool notion in their head that killing other people is okay.

Some people don't deserve life.

 

[Ennui]

ahem...you kill someone you gottta pay,not with money, not with sitting in a room reading books...you pay the ultimate price...thats how it is in the US (most states) and thats how its gonna stay.

Because obviously every good citizen makes the law his or her own morality.

Step out of your pathetic little viewpoint and get some perspective on things.

Some people don't deserve life.

I don't think you or I or anyone else can judge that.

edit: even hitler.

 

[Lemonking]

Some people don't deserve life.

lol, I think he knew what they where going to do to him...so he did it himself^^
but, Im sure some lawyers today would have defended him.like those guy that defend Saddam Hussein


edit:if feel the need to censor me .,...NAZI,then stop calling me names,then we can talk.

 

[Ennui]

NAZI,then stop calling me names

Well, that speaks for itself.

 

[TheSomeone]

Unless you refering to the "omg he should die" comments in the thread, if so i'd agree with your comment.

Yep.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

learn2execute.

Learn2killyourself.

Jesus christ, who let you back on this forum, you seriously don't know right from wrong all your views are ****T. :|

 

[Raeven0]

I don't think you or I or anyone else can judge that.

I understand your position and dissent entirely.

 

[Lemonking]

its funny,how you say learn2feel,but when some crazy guy slits your moms troat open and makes you watch....are you going to tell him learn2feel?
or like that guy that shot owners of a motel and the 14 year old doughter, shotgun...right in to the face? again are you going to tell him "learn2feel"


again,If you kill someone,you pay,you pay the ultimate price, your life.

 

[TheSomeone]

hahhaha ennui's temper is unlegendary

 

[TheSomeone]

its funny,how you say learn2feel,but when some crazy guy slits your moms troat open and makes you watch....are you going to tell him learn2feel?
or like that guy that shot owners of a motel and the 14 year old doughter shotgun...right in to the face?again are you going to tell him "learn2feel"?

Are you going to tell that guy learn2execute, which he just did?

 

[Qonfused]

Capital Punishement is an iffy subject for me. I'd rather have him get murdered, raped, beat up, stabed, etc. rotting in jail rather than to just stick a needle into him.

 

[Raeven0]

Capital Punishement is an iffy subject for me. I'd rather have him get murdered, raped, beat up, stabed, etc. rotting in jail rather than to just stick a needle into him.

Death by pineapple.

 

[Ennui]

its funny,how you say learn2feel,but when some crazy guy slits your moms troat open and makes you watch....are you going to tell him learn2feel?
or like that guy that shot owners of a motel and the 14 year old doughter, shotgun...right in to the face? again are you going to tell him "learn2feel"

No, I'll lock him up for the rest of his life and hope he eventually learns what it is to be human.

again,If you kill someone,you pay,you pay the ultimate price your life.

Ah, so you support killing all of our soldiers who've killed an Iraqi combatant or civilian?

hahhaha ennui's temper is unlegendary

I'm seeing red.

 

[Lemonking]

Are you going to tell that guy learn2execute, which he just did?

sigh...murder is something differnt then capital punishment,and alo that "learn2execute" was rathe a sarcastic comment,seing how ennui is a uber pacifist.


edit:ennui,if you are talking about the Incident with those women and children executed...then yes they should be executed as well (the marines). Also you cant learn to be human imo,we are all humans,that has nothing to due with murder,its about rules of society.

 

[Ennui]

sigh...murder is something differnt then capital punishment,and alo that "learn2execute" was rathe a sarcastic comment,seing how ennui is a uber pacifist.

Utterly proud of that title, by the way.

And do please help me delineate between murder and capital punishment for me, because I'll be honest, as far as I can tell, they're the same thing.

 

[Raeven0]

And do please help me delineate between murder and capital punishment for me, because I'll be honest, as far as I can tell, they're the same thing.

As far as I can tell, the differences are intent, justification, methodology, and actor.

"But then anyone can match the government's intentions, justifications, and methodology! There is a loophole in your argument!"

Yep. That used to be called vigilantism, but that's all but obsolete now.

 

[Lemonking]

lets see,you walk in to a Motel and kill the onwers with a sawed off,thats murder imo.
you catch your wife cheating,and kill her,thats murder.

you are a Soldier in Iraq and kill a family sitting in their living room and watching a Iraqi talk show,thats murder as well.


ok next step.


The police find the guy that killed a family during a robbery,he goes thrue trial the court is convinced that he is guilty.9 years later he gets a leather shot
thats capital punishment.

you and your squad are drving around in a APC on the road next to olive tree fields, suddenly a insurgent jumps out of the bushes
and starts shooting at the APC,luckily the soldier reacts in time,and shoots the insuregent..thats combat..not murder.


I like typing these little stories..so If you need more exsamples then just tell me ^_^

 

[ericms]

You should only kill another man if and only if it's necessary. I get the feeling most of you just came in here to say retarded statements like:

"OMG SO ****ING SICK. PUT A BULLET THROUGH HIS FACE, THAT'LL TEACH HIM."

If that article/video made you hate those people and wish they were dead then you need deal with yourself before commenting on something like this again. Hate makes you as mindless and stupid as those kids were. As evidence with some of the comments in this thread.

 

[Ennui]

As far as I can tell, the differences are intent, justification, and methodology.

Maybe I'm just not cultured enough to understand, but I fail to see how executing people is going to make them learn to stop killing.

We reduce life to a privledge that can be removed, and when that happens, the entire culture's value of it is reduced drastically.

The police find the guy that killed a family during a robbery,he goes thrue trial the court is convinced that he is guilty.9 years later he gets a leather shot
thats capital punishment.

It's also the guy being murdered. I repeat my previous statement - I fail to see how killing people can act as a societal deterrent to more of the same.

you and your squad are drving around in a APC on the road next to olive tree fields, suddenly a insurgent jumps out of the bushes
and starts shooting at the APC,luckily the soldier reacts in time,and shoots the insuregent..thats combat..not murder.

We invaded their country. As far as they're concerned, they're merely defending their home. I don't agree with their form of religiously-influenced warfare, but I can understand it completely. I bet you would have a different view on this if people invaded your country and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Perspective.

"Execution" and "Capital Punishment" are euphemisms.

At this point, Lemonking, I'm mostly just feeling sorry for you. Try getting some perspective.

 

[Lemonking]

Maybe I'm just not cultured enough to understand, but I fail to see how executing people is going to make them learn to stop killing.

We reduce life to a privledge that can be removed, and when that happens, the entire culture's value of it is reduced drastically.

ok, I see now why you dont understand..you think its about learning:hmph:



LOL

when you kill someone whats their to learn?I mean honestly.
its about about paying.not learning,a jail or prison isnt a educational institute .

 

[Kamikazie]

sigh...murder is something differnt then capital punishment,and alo that "learn2execute" was rathe a sarcastic comment,seing how ennui is a uber pacifist.


edit:ennui,if you are talking about the Incident with those women and children executed...then yes they should be executed as well (the marines). Also you cant learn to be human imo,we are all humans,that has nothing to due with murder,its about rules of society.

If you are so senseless that you get Ennui pissed, you should be shot. That's Capital Punishment.

 

[Raeven0]

but I fail to see how executing people is going to make them learn to stop killing.

It won't, but remember, rehabilitation and retribution are not mutually exclusive. If the former isn't expected to work, we should feel free to introduce the latter.

We reduce life to a privledge that can be removed, and when that happens, the entire culture's value of it is reduced drastically.

Perhaps. It's just as valid to say that the value of life is increased because only reasonable people can have it.

 

[Danimal]

Utterly proud of that title, by the way.

And do please help me delineate between murder and capital punishment for me, because I'll be honest, as far as I can tell, they're the same thing.

Capital Punishment is just more expensive.

ok, I see now why you dont understand..you think its about learning:hmph:



LOL

when you kill someone whats their to learn?I mean honestly.
its about about paying.not learning,a jail or prison isnt a educational institute .

You crazy foo', the whole justice system is designed around the purpose of the law-breaker to learn why doing his actions was a negative thing.

 

[Ennui]

ok, I see now why you dont understand..you think its about learning:hmph:



LOL

when you kill someone whats their to learn?I mean honestly.
its about about paying.not learning,a jail or prison isnt a educational institute .

No. You're the one who doesn't understand (I phrased that differently the first time). I think that learning is an alternative to killing. I think that instead of killing someone for their crimes, the best we can do is try to let them learn why it's such a horrible thing, lead them backwards through their entire life so they can relearn the inherent values of such things and realize what they've done.

And when that immense, grave weight of what murder is finally sinks in to them, they can pass it on.

And eventually, this sort of thing will become less and less of a problem.

We can end it, however long it takes. Thinking otherwise is fatalist and pointless to boot.

It won't, but remember, rehabilitation and retribution are not mutually exclusive. If the former isn't expected to work, we should feel free to introduce the latter.

Why should we 'feel free' to? Killing someone is too drastic a punishment if rehabilitation is merely not 'expected' to work. You can at least try, and if it fails, they die of natural causes and that's how it is.

Perhaps. It's just as valid to say that the value of life is increased because only reasonable people can have it.

Just as valid, but in an entirely different moral standpoint that I can't represent (and don't want to).

Just to be clear, I'm enjoying the debate with you, Raeven0, and the massive annoyance I'm experiencing is mostly directed at our intelligent friend Lemonking here.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

when you kill someone whats their to learn?I mean honestly.
its about about paying.not learning,a jail or prison isnt a educational institute .

I hope you get deported from this country, do you listen to what you type at all?

 

[Qonfused]

This thread needs to be locked.

-.-

 

[Vegeta897]

Or moved to politics forum.

 

[Qonfused]

Which were to be closed down, right? When is that going into affect?

 

[Raeven0]

And when that immense, grave weight of what murder is finally sinks in to them, they can pass it on.

And eventually, this sort of thing will become less and less of a problem.

That's idealistic.

I daresay, though, that most criminals don't care what is right, fair, and just.

Just to be clear, I'm enjoying the debate with you, Raeven0, and the massive annoyance I'm experiencing is mostly directed at our intelligent friend Lemonking here.

Intelligent discourse is fun.