Virginia Tech Shooting

Solaris said:
I agree, the violent crimes reduction bill to ban replica weaponry was absurd. Replica weapons never hurt anyone.

Perhaps knives should be legalized, it'd definitely not uncommon for criminals to use them. I'm just worried it might escalate fist fights into murders. Chavs are always trying to pick fights, I've known for them to carry knives, but I don't think most do, the though of chavs roaming the streets with knives is a pretty terrifying thought though. The way many British streets are at the moment, the police have failed to protect us, so we should be allowed to protect ourselves.

Perhaps only allow persons over 25 to carry knives might be a better idea.
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Ultimately, the problem starts and ends with instilling proper values. Chavs are nothing more than the inevitable product of a society that doesn't discipline its children, empowers the criminal, criminalises law-abiding citizens, rewards ineptitude and laziness and shuns achievement.
Hell, in Norway, it's actually cool to be smart. What happened here?
The only way to solve the problem is to treat the cause and not the symptoms. Until that time, I should be able to defend myself and once that problem is solved people carrying knives is not something that should concern us.
 
This really is crazy. I REALLY want to know what caused this kid to go insane like this. Drugs? Social issues? What sort of mental problems caused this.
 
Solaris said:
It's an important issue.

When it's soldiers killed in Iraq we discuss the Iraq war, the same applies here.

When you have 30+ students shot dead in a school, and such an event happens every few years, you have a problem. It's extremely important to identify what that problem is and how it can be solved or kids will keep on dying.
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The problem here is that someone took two handguns and killed 31 of their fellow classmates and faculty. You can discuss the way he procured his weapons later. You all know I'm completely for gun control, but this is not the place. Start a gun control thread if you want to.

This thread is for talking about the tragedy and we're not going to mix emotions by yelling at each other about gun control and politics.

Any further gun control debate posts will result in infractions. Take it to politics.
 
repiV said:
Sorry buddy, but this topic of discussion is inexorably linked to politics.
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No, "buddy", I see plenty of nonpolitical posts in this thread. Put the political discussion in politics. I don't see what's so difficult. It's ridiculous to start an argument in a thread dedicated to a tragic event.

God he's like the political jockeys on this forum, just waiting to exploit a devastating event such as this in order to preach his own pretentious opinions.
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Ennui said:
The problem here is that someone took two handguns and killed 31 of their fellow classmates and faculty. You can discuss the way he procured his weapons later. You all know I'm completely for gun control, but this is not the place. Start a gun control thread if you want to.

This thread is for talking about the tragedy and we're not going to mix emotions by yelling at each other about gun control and politics.

Any further gun control debate posts will result in infractions. Take it to politics.
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You could always move the thread.

Vegeta897 said:
No, "buddy", I see plenty of nonpolitical posts in this thread. Put the political discussion in politics. I don't see what's so difficult. It's ridiculous to start an argument in a thread dedicated to a tragic event.
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I'm not arguing with anyone.
 
What? This is in off topic for a reason, it's NOT A POLITICS THREAD, and I'm not wasting time splitting the thread. Like I said, if it's a big deal, go make a thread about it in Politics.

Everyone can stop talking about that now.
 
repiV said:
Ultimately, the problem starts and ends with instilling proper values. Chavs are nothing more than the inevitable product of a society that doesn't discipline its children, empowers the criminal, criminalises law-abiding citizens, rewards ineptitude and laziness and shuns achievement.
Hell, in Norway, it's actually cool to be smart. What happened here?
The only way to solve the problem is to treat the cause and not the symptoms. Until that time, I should be able to defend myself and once that problem is solved people carrying knives is not something that should concern us.
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To some extent I'd agree with what you're saying, I think poverty plays a large role in causing such things also.
I myself went to a very working class school in the center of Burnley, there was a large racist sentiment there, Burnley has alot of BNP supporters you see. The school 10 years back was a mess, people were going in, getting taught by crap teachers, the school system failed them, they left schooling at 16 with no GCSE's and many went into a life of crime and whatnot. Thankfully, the school has improved massively when I was there, now it seems medeling bureaucrats have forced it to close and merge with another school causing all the teachers to leave and setting the local education back 10 years, but I suppose the money invested looks good in the labour manifesto ey?

When kids go up in crime filled areas and what not, they're more likely to turn to crime.
 
Ennui said:
What? This is in off topic for a reason, it's NOT A POLITICS THREAD, and I'm not wasting time splitting the thread. Like I said, if it's a big deal, go make a thread about it in Politics.

Everyone can stop talking about that now.
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Hey, you don't have to get all arsey about it.
 
An HEV suit would explain why he was able to carry multiple weapons/ammo with ease...
 
I'm with Ennui here, this is a thread about the incident, not the gun controls! Make a thread in politics - 'Virginia Tech Shootings - Gun Debate' or something!






This is so sad, my thoughts are with those effected
 
Evo said:
I'm with Ennui here, this is a thread about the incident, not the gun controls! Make a thread in politics - 'Virginia Tech Shootings - Gun Debate' or something!






This is so sad, my thoughts are with those effected
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Well, okay - since you took the time to write out the thread title for me. :)
 
Okay, I didn't see Ennuis post, I won't debate it any longer.

Let's instead just all post R.I.P. when the victims nor their families will never read it and sit around waiting for another similar thing to happen, rather than getting together, discussing why such a tragedy might happen and trying to find out what we could do to prevent this happening again. After all, that wouldn't be relevant now would it?

RIP for what ****ing good it will do.
 
Solaris said:
Okay, I didn't see Ennuis post, I won't debate it any longer.

Let's instead just all post R.I.P. when the victims nor their families will never read it and sit around waiting for another similar thing to happen, rather than getting together, discussing why such a tragedy might happen and trying to find out what we could do to prevent this happening again. After all, that wouldn't be relevant now would it?

RIP for what ****ing good it will do.
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Look out for my reply in a new topic in the politics forum.
 
Solaris said:
Okay, I didn't see Ennuis post, I won't debate it any longer.

Let's instead just all post R.I.P. when the victims nor their families will never read it and sit around waiting for another similar thing to happen, rather than getting together, discussing why such a tragedy might happen and trying to find out what we could do to prevent this happening again. After all, that wouldn't be relevant now would it?

RIP for what ****ing good it will do.
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Or let's rant on about general firearms legislation, throw rehashed quotes and articles at each other (see below), leading to exchanging of personal insults and ultimately getting absolutely bloody nowhere, as per every debate that holds no relevance to the circumstances in this thread.

What good it will do.
 
repiV said:
Yes, the crime rates are not equal - the amount of gun crime, respectively, is way off compared to the percentage of households that own guns. As I said, a bad society always blames its tools.
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again we're talking specifically about gun related homicides ..there's well over 500,000 incidents yearly where a gun was involved yet there was no homicide



repiV said:
The only guns that private citizens can legally own in this country are shotguns, for farming etc. use which require a license.
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same as in canada ..most crimes are commited with handguns, handguns are prohibited

repiV said:
Nobody in somewhere like London owns a gun legally - which again just supports my point that despite there being shitloads more guns in Toronto than London, London has a higher gun crime rate.
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no that's not really true ..in gun related homicide the two cities are close in stats as long as you adjust for population ..30 odd a year in toronto and anywhere from 50-70 in london

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb0207.pdf
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...omicide_year_051227/20051227/?hub=TorontoHome



repiV said:
Because it's a cultural issue, and the UK is a much more violent and dysfunctional society than Canada. For many reasons irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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it's about the same factoring in population differences
 
I've lost count of the amount of mass-killings in American schools now! How many is it?
 
PvtRyan said:
Brother of a SA goon who was in a class the shooter came in:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...432530&perpage=40&pagenumber=19#post326153336
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Ennui said:
jesus christ
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Not sure if you guys continued to follow that thread (I have been following it since it was about 11 pages long this morning), but that guy's brother is named Trey Perkins, and he was interviewed on MSNBC, as well his as classmate, Derek O'Neil. They were the two who held the door closed, Derek being the one who was shot in the arm.
 
Isn't there campus police? From the news, they say the first shootings were around 7:15. And it started again about 2 hours later and from their diagram the two locations looked to be on different sides of the campus.

If anyone is going there, is the area around there that bad that a shooting doesn't priority?
 
Stern, I'm not kidding. One more post and you're getting an infraction.

Sorry to be an ass about it, but I honestly feel it's disrespectful and demeans the incident. There's even a thread in Politics now for you to post in.
 
I know some people that go to Virginia Tech. God, I hope they are okay.
 
I imagine anti depressents are involved when you look at the pattern of school shootings.
 
function9 said:
Isn't there campus police? From the news, they say the first shootings were around 7:15. And it started again about 2 hours later and from their diagram the two locations looked to be on different sides of the campus.

If anyone is going there, is the area around there that bad that a shooting doesn't priority?
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I live here. Our region consists of several small towns linked together by corporate sectors and business. We aren't used to mass murder.

The reason something like that can happen is because Virginia Tech is a 24,000 student school. A school that massive just can't be "locked down" or evacuated in any efficient manner. The police responded to a call saying a shooting had happened in Ambler Johnson hall. They arrived and found wounded and dead, nothing else. Even if they had immediately sweeped the campus (which is not easy, the campus is very large) they most likely would have no reached Norris hall in time.
 
Christ, being only about an hour and a half away, I could barely believe this when my teacher mentioned it in class. I know a couple people at Tech, but don't talk to them regularly. It's just a bit much to process how it all wnet down. Hopefully there will be more details soon.
 
This is really horrible. My heart goes out to those families. And I rarely say that.
 
"Students bitterly complained that there were no public-address announcements on campus after the first burst of gunfire. Many said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage ? around the time the gunman struck again"

A f***in Email??
 
Death toll is 33. Guy discovered his gf or something in bed with someone else, shot both of them. Then he went to Norris Hall and entered a class room. Shot the teacher (in the head, some people say), started shooting people who had dived to the ground. Shooter left the class room, Trey Perkins and Derek 'O Neil (shot in the arm) rushed to the door and blocked it. Shooter attempted to re-enter and fired four to five bullets through the door, none hitting. They heard the shooter go away and start firing in other classes. They could do nothing but help the injured with their wounds. Trey used some of his clothing to stop the bleeding of several wounds of a person. Shooter continued his rampage and ultimately died. Suicide or SWAT, unknown currently.

That's the incident in a nutshell.

This is horrible.
 
comoxer said:
"Students bitterly complained that there were no public-address announcements on campus after the first burst of gunfire. Many said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage ? around the time the gunman struck again"

A f***in Email??
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Yeah it's really messed up. I don't understand why they didn't shut down the entire campus after the first shots were fired.
 
They thought he left...still not an excuse. We get emails and crap here too but not if it was a freakin shooting, we have loudspeakers across campus for that. I blame the school for their retarded response and that retard for not taking the situation like a man and knowing that his b**** was a true slut and just leaving.
 
comoxer said:
"Students bitterly complained that there were no public-address announcements on campus after the first burst of gunfire. Many said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage ? around the time the gunman struck again"

A f***in Email??
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The school has a campus wide alert system. But imagine if all 24,000 students were alerted at once. People would run, evacuate, etc and the police would struggle to find the gunman. It happened before, when William Morva escaped and ran to VT campus.
 
Shit, I still don't know if one of my friends is ok. He's an engineer and my sis said he was taking a lot of morning classes... :|
 
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That surprises me, I thought she would be rooting for the shooter.
 
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