Basra Attack.

[GhostValkyrie]

just fyi, colmes is not a reporter, he's a commentator. generally, the political views of reporters are neither well established nor pervasive in their reporting (there are exceptions i'm sure). however, CNN has plenty of conservative commentators, i'm surprised you've never heard of robert novak, tucker carlson, or jonah goldberg (maybe you just didn't know they worked for cnn). i believe, lynne cheney used to be a commentator on cnn too, but i could be mistaken about that.

btw, weak little colmes is no robert novak

I meant correspondent. Sorry 'bout that. I was thinking about thinking about reporters on CNN, Colmes being liber, etc - You know. So, I ended up typing the wrong name.

I also don't watch CNN because each time I've done so it's seemed so sappy plays on emotion, yet feels empty and uncaring. Before the war started they were laughing at the NAVY because they were having trouble getting one of their battlecruisers out of the harbor due to some generator malfunctions. Another time when we took the Capitol they were speaking slow, drawing out sentences, and throwing words together to get the water works going in your eyes. Not only were they unsuccessful, but it was frustrating.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

I also don't watch CNN because each time I've done so it's seemed so sappy plays on emotion, yet feels empty and uncaring.

yeah, no other news organization are like that

 

[GhostValkyrie]

yeah, no other news organization are like that

Heh, I didn't say that. I've stopped watching the news due to that, most of the news I get now is from Online. Sometimes I'll switch over to CNBC, but I mostly just watch E! and other entertaining dribble(Adult Swim).

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Heh, I didn't say that. I've stopped watching the news due to that, most of the news I get now is from Online. Sometimes I'll switch over to CNBC, but I mostly just watch E! and other entertaining dribble(Adult Swim).

omg dude, E! now i've lost all respect for you (it's the woife's doing isn't it?) adult swim is cool though.

i know what you mean about broadcast news. online news is naturally better b/c you can pick and chose your news (rhyme!). personally, i'm very selective about the reality that i accept :thumbs:

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Ha, I enjoy watching Behind the Scenes and some of their biographies, but not a lot of the recycled humor that seems barrowed from other networks and comedians. Actually, there is no wife. I don't think even after retirement from the SEALs I could settle down, unless I met that "special someone" people are always blabbing about...being such a person exist.

 

[Moto]

This might offend some people, but oh well...It is something I want to say.

All I think is that If they don't want us over there helping them get their country in order by rebuilding old buildings, building new houses, helping the general public, creating a new government, and policing the wrongdoers, then I say "Pull the troops and volunteer helpers out."

Let those animals destroy themselves and screw their country into the ground. Lets just take what we need and leave them to do the stupid things they do. If they don't want help, fine. Let them become even more of a third world nation and end up like Somalia with no food, no laws, and more rogue militiamen patrolling the streets and taking pot shots at people that offended them in some wierd way or gave them a hostile look.

Honestly, I don't care what happens to them, and I can't say "Oh, what about the children?," because a lot of them will end up commiting the same random acts of terrorism to innocent bystanders and community helpers. I just think it doesn't matter anymore, we have Saddam, there are no Weapons of mass destruction that have been found. All there is is oil.

All that we get out of that place are the deaths of our own men and women. How can those people justify killing others who are there on their own will, volunteering to HELP fix up their country. It is a sickening thing. Everytime I hear of what those people do, I feel like punching a hole in my wall. Te things they do are inhumane and unjust. Some of them are poor, sad excuses for human beings.

I am not saying that we should harm them in any way. Dropping bombs would only create more problems for us. WMD's are not the answer, and it is sad that some people say "Just drop a nuke and it's over." They shouldn't all pay a price that great. All I suggest is that we let them have what they want: Their country back. Who cares what they do with it...all I care about is the safety of volunteer workers and our troops.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

This might offend some people, but oh well...It is something I want to say.

All I think is that If they don't want us over there helping them get their country in order by rebuilding old buildings, building new houses, helping the general public, creating a new government, and policing the wrongdoers, then I say "Pull the troops and volunteer helpers out."

Sometimes I feel this way, but I feel for those who don't do these acts. The innocent people that actually want our help and don't want another Saddam.

All that we get out of that place are the deaths of our own men and women. How can those people justify killing others who are there on their own will, volunteering to HELP fix up their country. It is a sickening thing. Everytime I hear of what those people do, I feel like punching a hole in my wall. Te things they do are inhumane and unjust. Some of them are poor, sad excuses for human beings.

Aree this is true. But if we can stabilize the country, something good could come out of Iraq, although it's likely they'll end up getting crushed by Iran or isurgents stage Coup after Coup.

I am not saying that we should harm them in any way. Dropping bombs would only create more problems for us. WMD's are not the answer, and it is sad that some people say "Just drop a nuke and it's over." They shouldn't all pay a price that great. All I suggest is that we let them have what they want: Their country back. Who cares what they do with it...all I care about is the safety of volunteer workers and our troops.

I still want the people of Iraq to have freedom, whatever Bush's motives are doesn't harm my want for them to have freedom. Acts like waht happened today hurt, but I still stand behind getting the job done. I don't want America to develop a bad reputation of just up and going. In the past our leader have done things like that. Had Clinton not chicked out, Somolia would be a secured place now.

 

[Neutrino]

This might offend some people, but oh well...It is something I want to say.

All I think is that If they don't want us over there helping them get their country in order by rebuilding old buildings, building new houses, helping the general public, creating a new government, and policing the wrongdoers, then I say "Pull the troops and volunteer helpers out."

Pardon, but who destroyed the infrastructure in the first place? We did.

Let those animals destroy themselves and screw their country into the ground. Lets just take what we need and leave them to do the stupid things they do. If they don't want help, fine. Let them become even more of a third world nation and end up like Somalia with no food, no laws, and more rogue militiamen patrolling the streets and taking pot shots at people that offended them in some wierd way or gave them a hostile look.

Alright, you have no right whatsoever to be calling them "animals". You making a huge generalization that is horribly unjustified. Did it ever occur to you that there are many many people there who just are trying to live their lives and raise their families? And what about the children? Are all these people just "animals" to you?

Honestly, I don't care what happens to them, and I can't say "Oh, what about the children?," because a lot of them will end up commiting the same random acts of terrorism to innocent bystanders and community helpers. I just think it doesn't matter anymore, we have Saddam, there are no Weapons of mass destruction that have been found. All there is is oil.

Oh so you don't care about anyone there because a few are bad. I think that is horrible. And some children may very well end up as terrorists. Why do you think that is? It's because they are taught that way. Don't you think they might deserve the chance to know another life? And no, all there is is NOT oil. There happen to be human beings over there.

All that we get out of that place are the deaths of our own men and women. How can those people justify killing others who are there on their own will, volunteering to HELP fix up their country. It is a sickening thing. Everytime I hear of what those people do, I feel like punching a hole in my wall. Te things they do are inhumane and unjust. Some of them are poor, sad excuses for human beings.

Well first "those people" is a bad choice of words. Not everyone is attacking our soldier. Like I said many people are just trying to survive. Also, I do agree that some of the things some groups and individuals do to our troops is truly horrific and horrible. But if you bother to look at it from their point of view and read accounts of our own actions there you'll see we're not exactly perfect helpful volunteers either. Our own soldiers have done stuff that I would prefer not to think about. Granted they are risking their lives and a lot of times they are forced to take extreme measures, but you still need to look at it from the point of view of the general public of Iraq. Now I'm not saying some our own actions justifies any actions against us. I'm just saying that you need to look at things from the point of view of the general public in Iraq to really understand things.

I am not saying that we should harm them in any way. Dropping bombs would only create more problems for us. WMD's are not the answer, and it is sad that some people say "Just drop a nuke and it's over." They shouldn't all pay a price that great. All I suggest is that we let them have what they want: Their country back. Who cares what they do with it...all I care about is the safety of volunteer workers and our troops.

I can understand and agree with your point about just giving them their country back. But you then say "who cares what they do with it." Well I think we should care. The people of Iraq never asked to have a horrible dictator, they never asked us to come bomb their country to get rid of him. We did it because it helped us. Therefore I think we have a responsibility toward the Iraqi people. I think we should in fact "care" about what happens to them.

Now I can truly understand why you might say some of the things you said. You seem to feel strongly about it and your reaction is to protect our troops which I think is noble. However, before forming such harsh opinions, and almost condemning the entire populace of a country I think you need to do a lot more research into the matter, and try to understand things from their own point of view.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I can understand and agree with your point about just giving them their country back. But you then say "who cares what they do with it." Well I think we should care. The people of Iraq never asked to have a horrible dictator, they never asked us to come bomb their country to get rid of him. We did it because it helped us. Therefore I think we have a responsibility toward the Iraqi people. I think we should in fact "care" about what happens to them.

I agree, to an extent. I think we had the responsibility long before the war. We're all human beings, and should care about one another in this world. With our power, we could have and should have, done something a long time ago.

 

[Direwolf]

I think thats the one thing that always gets me: it doesn't matter what you think of out leaders, it doesn't matter what you thought of Saddam, and it doesn't matter what you think of our military. What matters right now is trying to put things in their place and give a country back its future. We'll make more enemies if we walk away now than if we stayed for a hundred years trying to put the country back together.

 

[Moto]

Okay Neutrino, thanks for dissecting my post. (I hate when people do that.)
Don't listen to me then. I'm just a young kid and I guess I am too naive to understand all of this. Let me just say that I care a great deal about our troops and volunteer helpers. Yes, I know that we are the people who destroyed everything in the first place, I am not an idiot. It is our country's obligation to rebuild the things we destroy during wartime. You must have taken it the wrong way. I am not calling them all animals, I thought it was clear. Doesn't seeing American volunteers hanging by their necks and/or legs on top of a bridge with people desecrating American Flags and brutalizing dead people piss you off? Perhaps seeing someone from your country that has been killed and is being brutalized with a metal pole isn't enough to set you off. With me, on the other hand, I get extremely ticked off.

I don't particularly like seeing my own people's dead bodies being burned and hit and dragged behind cars. I am not saying that they all do it. The comment that I had about the children was because I knew that somebody would say something like that. I was mainly talking about the brutalizers and their children. Please re-read my last paragraph to gain a better understanding of my opinions. I don't want everyone to suffer. I know I said some things that make you think that I hope everyone suffers. That is not the case.

I was speaking on pure anger and emotion, and I may have said some things that you took the wrong way. I am just sick of all of the brutalization. No soldiers from the U.S. ever go up to some innocent person, shoot them, burn them, hit them with a pole, then hang them by the neck from a bridge. Please understand that I am not a "trigger happy" person so-to-speak and I have no violent wishes for the civilians of Iraq. I do, however, have strong feelings of hatred towards people who commit violent, unexpected, and brutal acts.

Thank you for schooling me on this subject with your infinite wisdom.

 

[Neutrino]

Okay Neutrino, thanks for dissecting my post. (I hate when people do that.)
Don't listen to me then. I'm just a young kid and I guess I am too naive to understand all of this. Let me just say that I care a great deal about our troops and volunteer helpers. Yes, I know that we are the people who destroyed everything in the first place, I am not an idiot. It is our country's obligation to rebuild the things we destroy during wartime. You must have taken it the wrong way. I am not calling them all animals, I thought it was clear. Doesn't seeing American volunteers hanging by their necks and/or legs on top of a bridge with people desecrating American Flags and brutalizing dead people piss you off? Perhaps seeing someone from your country that has been killed and is being brutalized with a metal pole isn't enough to set you off. With me, on the other hand, I get extremely ticked off.

I don't particularly like seeing my own people's dead bodies being burned and hit and dragged behind cars. I am not saying that they all do it. The comment that I had about the children was because I knew that somebody would say something like that. I was mainly talking about the brutalizers and their children. Please re-read my last paragraph to gain a better understanding of my opinions. I don't want everyone to suffer. I know I said some things that make you think that I hope everyone suffers. That is not the case.

I was speaking on pure anger and emotion, and I may have said some things that you took the wrong way. I am just sick of all of the brutalization. No soldiers from the U.S. ever go up to some innocent person, shoot them, burn them, hit them with a pole, then hang them by the neck from a bridge. Please understand that I am not a "trigger happy" person so-to-speak and I have no violent wishes for the civilians of Iraq. I do, however, have strong feelings of hatred towards people who commit violent, unexpected, and brutal acts.

Thank you for schooling me on this subject with your infinite wisdom.

Hey no need for the sarcasm or anything. You posted your opinion and I posted mine. I'm not trying to "school" you, I'm just stating how I see the situation and how I disagreed with you. I do understand that you spoke out of anger. I just felt that in situations like this that that is not always the best way to view them and can lead to not always objective opinions being formed.

Basically, I just think the whole situation is incredibly complex and one's first reaction to the situation doesn't usually take all the factors into account.