legalize weed in california???

[Big_Odessa]

if you haven't already heard it on the news a bill is being pushed to california about taxing and legalizing marijuana similar to how we buy alcohol and cigarettes. heres a link to the bill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_Control,_Regulation,_and_Education_Act

marijuana was made illegal in 1938 mainly based on racism and to control the Hispanics from crossing the boarder.

the last time i looked 52% of people from ages 12-infinity have experimented with the cannabis.

there isn't any real heath related issues with smoking cannabis http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg

a online poll stated that over 90% of people are infavor of legalization

another poll showed that 41% of Americans want to legalize it

The us spends millions of tax payers money to arrest and isolate criminals in our already over populated prisons

the same government that throws smokers in jail also make millions in the 14 states(and counting) that have medical marijuana dispensaries.

this is a serious social, civil, and moral issue that i think needs changing. i currently go to college and i can say that almost EVERYONE smokes weed. everyone ranging from the hardcore hippies and the really smart physics scientists(Gordan freeman smokes weed lol)

any reason that you can find to keep marijuana illegal i can respond with and equal intelligent response to have it legal(bring it on) what do u guys think? legalize it?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

This is irrelevant. It'll still be federal law.

As for whether it should be legal, yes it should be. Banning a substance that a lot of people really want and exists in abundance is a bad thing, as we can see from the 1920s.

any reason that you can find to keep marijuana illegal i can respond with and equal intelligent response to have it legal(bring it on)

I think you might have misjudged this forum a little.

 

[Big_Odessa]

This is irrelevant. It'll still be federal law.

As for whether it should be legal, yes it should be. Banning a substance that a lot of people really want and exists in abundance is a bad thing, as we can see from the 1920s.


I think you might have misjudged this forum a little.

lol true but its was a joke. i guess forgot to put the jk. i was just worked up over a discussion i had earlier. but whenever i bring up the subject i always get a couple redunkculous haters.

as for the whole federal law thing, the obama organization stopped the feds from being able to bust the legal medical marijuana shops. the feds used to be able to do this since the mm shops are legal as a state law but not as a federal law, but this was a HUGE violation of civil rights. good thing its not happening any more!

 

[Vegeta897]

(Gordan freeman smokes weed lol)

This is the only problem I have with weed.

Also,

a online poll stated that over 90% of people are infavor of legalization

another poll showed that 41% of Americans want to legalize it

This is some pathetic support. "Some polls on the internets which I can't even provide sources for said this..." Just because of a lot of people on the internet want something doesn't mean it should happen. Internet is full of stupidity and is nowhere near an equal and proportionate representation of any population's opinions.

I'm all for legalization, but you could have made this post much better.

 

[Big_Odessa]

This is the only problem I have with weed.

Also,

This is some pathetic support. "Some polls on the internets which I can't even provide sources for said this..." Just because of a lot of people on the internet want something doesn't mean it should happen. Internet is full of stupidity and is nowhere near an equal and proportionate representation of any population's opinions.

I'm all for legalization, but you could have made this post much better.

as for the internet poll thing, yes it is extremely biased i know this.

as for the other poll thing, it wasnt a poll set up on the internet.

as for your opinion on my thread, i agree. i left a lot of things out since im lazy. i am also from the Netherlands so my grammar isnt the best. im getting a degree in electrical engineering not in english.

 

[Vegeta897]

I wasn't talking about your grammar or English skills.

 

[CyberPitz]

This is irrelevant. It'll still be federal law.

As for whether it should be legal, yes it should be. Banning a substance that a lot of people really want and exists in abundance is a bad thing, as we can see from the 1920s.


I think you might have misjudged this forum a little.

My only contribution to this thread is to say the bolded part is a ridiculous thought.

 

[Qonfused]

I'm all for legalization.

You've come a long way.

 

[AJ Rimmer]

My only contribution to this thread is to say the bolded part is a ridiculous thought.

Meh. You're probably right.

 

[Dynasty]

Arguments over addictive stuff like marijuana, smoking and alcohol are always insanely pointless.

Its only argued in favour of by those that use it. 'Well duh' I hear you say, but its a point I think people overlook, especially those in favour. They dont realise how many are against the idea of it.

Throw in some money for the government however and im sure Starbucks will get changed to Weedbucks. Few years and Marijuana will be more widely available than...something that is currently widely available. Typical mankind nature. What a ***ked up species we really are.

Personally therefore I think marijuna SHOULD be illegal, but then I think smoking should too. Theres no reason for it. 'Its relaxing'...so is soaking in a bath?

 

[Krynn72]

I dont use it, and im for the legalization of it. Its clear with this product that having it be illegal doesnt stop anybody from using it. I say we go ahead and make money off of it. Then we can actually afford nice things.

 

[Glue]

It won't happen for a while anyway if it even does. I don't know why people even care if its legal or not. Everyone who smokes...smokes. Its like asking to legalize free music downloads.

 

[Adabiviak]

Have never smoked anything in my life. I feel that if society is okay with alcohol and 'normal' tobacco being legal, the argument against weed seems pretty weak.

If it was up to me, I wouldn't trust anyone with anything more dangerous than string.

 

[jet_porkins]

Its like asking to legalize free music downloads.

No it isn't, because that's blatant theft no matter how you look at it.

Also, I'm with Dynasty.

 

[Warped]

isn't Salvia legal?? i think it gives the same effects too

 

[MorganFreeman911]

Personally therefore I think marijuna SHOULD be illegal, but then I think smoking should too. Theres no reason for it. 'Its relaxing'...so is soaking in a bath?

This.

 

[Absinthe]

Its only argued in favour of by those that use it. 'Well duh' I hear you say, but its a point I think people overlook, especially those in favour. They dont realise how many are against the idea of it.

Lawl what

Plenty of people who don't smoke weed are in favor of legalizing it, for reasons of civil liberty, economic boon, and because they don't want to see their sibling, parent, or child to be given a ****ing conviction for giving it a try. They are in favor of legalizing it (or at the very least decriminalizing it) because they are not assholes.

You and Gordon can go take your baths together and let other people get high. It's none of your god damn business.

ITT Warped: Salvia is definitely not the same as marijuana. It is a very powerful hallucinogen. You relax with weed. You trip balls on salvia.

 

[Glue]

No it isn't, because that's blatant theft no matter how you look at it.

Also, I'm with Dynasty.

Im not calling it a theft im just comparing it. Im all for legalization but I just...don't see it happening.

 

[jet_porkins]

You and Gordon can go take your baths together and let other people get high. It's none of your god damn business.

[strike]Read Gordon's post carefully...[/strike]

I'm an idiot. Dyslexically misread his quote and thought he altered "illegal" for "legal."

Edit:

Im not calling it a theft im just comparing it. Im all for legalization but I just...don't see it happening.

I understand the basis of your comparison, truly. I just didn't do a good job at communicating that, in the instance of downloading music, there is a lot less room for discussion. There is a logical, legal basis to oppose piracy (music, movies, games...). With marijuana legalization, that's just simply not the case.

As far as my personal position on the legalization of marijuana goes: I'm personally against the substance use, but there doesn't seem to be any sound, legal reasoning to oppose it. So while I refuse to say that I am a "supporter" of legalization in the sense of the word, I wouldn't be upset if it were legalized in my state either.

 

[Viperidae]

Its only argued in favour of by those that use it.

As others have pointed out, this is unequivocally and demonstrably wrong.

Few years and Marijuana will be more widely available than...something that is currently widely available. Typical mankind nature. What a ***ked up species we really are.

And this is ****ed up why?

Personally therefore I think marijuna SHOULD be illegal, but then I think smoking should too. Theres no reason for it. 'Its relaxing'...so is soaking in a bath?

Because you're not OK with it it should be illegal. Cool story; that's the best the 'no' camp can come up with?

 

[Glue]

[strike]Read Gordon's post carefully...[/strike]

I'm an idiot. Dyslexically misread his quote and thought he altered "illegal" for "legal."

Edit:



I understand the basis of your comparison, truly. I just didn't do a good job at communicating that, in the instance of downloading music, there is a lot less room for discussion. There is a logical, legal basis to oppose piracy (music, movies, games...). With marijuana legalization, that's just simply not the case.

As far as my personal position on the legalization of marijuana goes: I'm personally against the substance use, but there doesn't seem to be any sound, legal reasoning to oppose it. So while I refuse to say that I am a "supporter" of legalization in the sense of the word, I wouldn't be upset if it were legalized in my state either.

Alright I can see what you mean now. I mean this is all just a matter of opinion anyhow. While I think it's a benefactor for a plentiful crop and hopefully will lower crime rate, there are aftereffects too.

 

[Lucid]

Arguments over addictive stuff like marijuana

 

[Glue]

Arguments over addictive stuff like marijuana

 

[Sulkdodds]

I was for legalization before I used it!

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Arguments over addictive stuff like marijuana, smoking and alcohol are always insanely pointless.

Sex, or food or even computer use can be addictive.

Its only argued in favour of by those that use it. 'Well duh' I hear you say, but its a point I think people overlook, especially those in favour. They dont realise how many are against the idea of it.

Bullshit. Just off the top of my head, I can think of two famous non-users in favor of legalization - Ron Paul and Pamala Anderson. And that's without bothering to think.

Throw in some money for the government however and im sure Starbucks will get changed to Weedbucks. Few years and Marijuana will be more widely available than...something that is currently widely available. Typical mankind nature. What a ***ked up species we really are.

I have no idea what you are suggesting here - that the weed is bad, or the fact that the govt. would remove the law simply for money.

Personally therefore I think marijuna SHOULD be illegal, but then I think smoking should too. Theres no reason for it. 'Its relaxing'...so is soaking in a bath?

Can I ask why? No offense to you (as I know nothing about you), but there are so many self-righteous assholes out there who think smoking should be illegal, and that weed shouldn't be legal for no really reason. How am I remotely affecting you if I light up a spliff right now?

 

[The Monkey]

We really need another thread for this? It is well established that pretty much everyone here supports legalization.

 

[Dynasty]

How does you lighting up right now affect me?

Ill list one way as, frankly I cant be arsed to type any others and it'll all get broken down and flamed anyway by users.

Youre doing NO good to society stereotypes. I am getting SICK of being looked down upon, at almost 23 years old, being seen as a 'kid' that wears hoodies, does drugs and gets pissed every night, goes out and starts a fight. Now you can argue 'theres nothing to support that assumption', but personally ive yet to meet anyone that has more positive views on the youth of today than the negative of drugs and alcohol etc.

Why should I be, as a result of arguably a subconcious level, having to go through defending myself against people's commulative views against the 'youth of today'. And im not talking about old people 'during the war' excuses and whinings, im talking about anyone.

Its become almost expected of us to take drugs, along with teenage pregnancies, alcohol, crime etc etc. Maybe statistically thats incorrect, but its already etched into people's minds at whatever level. Maybe its just the media's doing, I dont know, but bad news is the best news, so theyll rip us to shreds everytime something happens as a result of drugs and alcohol.

 

[Absinthe]

Oh no, people in life make stupid assumptions about me. How will I cope?

So youths that smoke weed (never mind every other age group) are at fault because other people are poor assessors of character?

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

The amusing thing about that is that weed is already illegal and you're complaining about the awful assumptions that people make. So if it were legalised/decriminalised, how would that make it worse exactly?

 

[Naph]

A bill to make American people to readily become those who have no lives. Leaving shit the way it is pretty much strengthens society. But then you have to rip the satisfactory thought that all the lowlives you hate can't run themselves out of existence that easily.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I'm really having trouble understand what you actually just said, Naph.

 

[Big_Odessa]

isn't Salvia legal?? i think it gives the same effects too

no salvia is illegal in a lot of states. also it is MUCH stronger than weed. salvia make u hallucinate and do uncontrollable things. weed gives u a euphoric and dreamy high and you dont see things(unless u smoke A LOT). i can actually drive when im high, but when im drunk its another story....

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

i can actually drive when im high, but when im drunk its another story....

Dude, you are joking right? I mean, you wouldn't actually drive while high right?

How does you lighting up right now affect me?

Ill list one way as, frankly I cant be arsed to type any others and it'll all get broken down and flamed anyway by users.

Youre doing NO good to society stereotypes. I am getting SICK of being looked down upon, at almost 23 years old, being seen as a 'kid' that wears hoodies, does drugs and gets pissed every night, goes out and starts a fight. Now you can argue 'theres nothing to support that assumption', but personally ive yet to meet anyone that has more positive views on the youth of today than the negative of drugs and alcohol etc.

Why should I be, as a result of arguably a subconcious level, having to go through defending myself against people's commulative views against the 'youth of today'. And im not talking about old people 'during the war' excuses and whinings, im talking about anyone.

Its become almost expected of us to take drugs, along with teenage pregnancies, alcohol, crime etc etc. Maybe statistically thats incorrect, but its already etched into people's minds at whatever level. Maybe its just the media's doing, I dont know, but bad news is the best news, so theyll rip us to shreds everytime something happens as a result of drugs and alcohol.

Absinthe and Pi done did it.

 

[Big_Odessa]

How does you lighting up right now affect me?

Ill list one way as, frankly I cant be arsed to type any others and it'll all get broken down and flamed anyway by users.

Youre doing NO good to society stereotypes. I am getting SICK of being looked down upon, at almost 23 years old, being seen as a 'kid' that wears hoodies, does drugs and gets pissed every night, goes out and starts a fight. Now you can argue 'theres nothing to support that assumption', but personally ive yet to meet anyone that has more positive views on the youth of today than the negative of drugs and alcohol etc.

Why should I be, as a result of arguably a subconcious level, having to go through defending myself against people's commulative views against the 'youth of today'. And im not talking about old people 'during the war' excuses and whinings, im talking about anyone.

Its become almost expected of us to take drugs, along with teenage pregnancies, alcohol, crime etc etc. Maybe statistically thats incorrect, but its already etched into people's minds at whatever level. Maybe its just the media's doing, I dont know, but bad news is the best news, so theyll rip us to shreds everytime something happens as a result of drugs and alcohol.

comparing marijuana to pregnancies, alcohol, and crime is just dumb. marijuana doesnt make a kid wearing a hoodie go out and start fights. maybe alcohol but still. you obviously dont know much about weed so every time you open your mouth about the subject you spew unfathomable amounts of ignorance. but its probably good that you dont do drugs or drink. youll be more healthy and probably live longer with out them.


if marijuana was legal than people that smoke it would contribute to society. look at Oakland. marijuana was made legal there and the buisnesses are booming. before legalization Oakland was bankrupt. as a plant marijuana is king. it can be made into countless things that would stimulate society like paper, plastic ect ect... that is one reason weed has been legal. because making it leagal would take money away from the logging industry and many others.

yes atomic piggy i do drive while high sometimes. not on purpose tho i try not to. people do many things while high. you have probably talked to someone that was high and you just didnt notice because being high off weed is so easy to control for experienced users. i have never been in an car accident while high. ive only drove drunk a couple of times and it REALLY sucks. never again.

 

[Absinthe]

It's not something I condone or recommend, so I don't want anybody getting the wrong impression here. But driving while high really doesn't compare to being intoxicated on alcohol. Your reaction times and sense of direction are nowhere near as impaired.

 

[Stigmata]

It's not something I condone or recommend, so I don't want anybody getting the wrong impression here. But driving while high really doesn't compare to being intoxicated on alcohol. Your reaction times and sense of direction are nowhere near as impaired.

Supportive anecdotal evidence: When I'm drunk, I can't stay on my bike without at least one foot on the ground. When I'm high, I can do wheelies and MotoGP-style tight corner turns at high speeds.

 

[Krynn72]

Or maybe you're just sitting on your couch and you think you're doing that stuff because you're so high.

 

[Krynn72]

if marijuana was legal than people that smoke it would contribute to society. look at Oakland. marijuana was made legal there and the buisnesses are booming. before legalization Oakland was bankrupt. as a plant marijuana is king. it can be made into countless things that would stimulate society like paper, plastic ect ect... that is one reason weed has been legal. because making it leagal would take money away from the logging industry and many others.

Conspiracy theories dont help your arguments buddy.

yes atomic piggy i do drive while high sometimes. not on purpose tho

Yeah, sometimes I accidentally drive too. Sometimes I accidentally go check my mail, and go to the store to buy something.

EDIT: **** double post. God damn weed. If I was smoking it this never would have happened.

 

[VirusType2]

Personally, I think Cannabis should be legalized for use on private properties.

Less harmful and addictive than alcohol and tobacco, yet those are legal.

Adulterants in Cannabis are less common than in other drugs of abuse. Chalk (in the Netherlands) and glass particles (in the UK) have been used at times to make cannabis appear to be higher quality.[91][92][93] Increasing the weight of hashish products in Germany with lead caused lead intoxication in at least 29 users.[94] In the Netherlands two chemical analogs of Sildenafil (Viagra) were found in adulterated marihuana.[95]

At least if you buy government regulated marijuana, you wouldn't have to worry about it being laced, which can bring unexpected and dangerous side effects.

Simple possession can carry long prison terms in some countries, particularly in East Asia, where the sale of Cannabis may lead to a sentence of life in prison or even execution.

Damn, that's ****ing cold. :lol: I thought we had it bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

 

[Hobostomp]

Keep it illegal - alcohol is bad enough without having to deal with weed as well.