legalize weed in california???

[VirusType2]

There are no known medical uses of alcohol (except as a very painful antiseptic)

However, Marijuana:

Medical use
Main article: Medical cannabis

Though the medicinal value of Cannabis has been debated, it does have several well-documented beneficial effects. Cannabis is indicated for treating and preventing nausea and vomiting, for treatment of glaucoma due to its lower of intraocular pressure, as well as a general analgesic. Individual studies also have been conducted indicating Cannabis to a gamut of conditions running from multiple sclerosis to depression. Extracts of Cannabis have also been created and sold as prescription drugs in the United States, primarily for the treatment of pain and nausea.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Keep it illegal - alcohol is bad enough without having to deal with weed as well.

Two completely different drugs tbh. Ever seen anyone get in a fight on weed? Or overdose and choke on their own vomit? I'm betting not.

 

[CptStern]

If it was up to me, I wouldn't trust anyone with anything more dangerous than string.

words to live by. also made me lol



I'd rather they didnt legalise da herdbs in California. Bud from canada (BC) has in the past sold for $50 a gram. if pot growers cant gouge americans on price I'm afraid they may turn to their fellow canadians instead <shudder> YOU PAY TOP DOLLAR SO DONT HAVE TA!

 

[Absinthe]

Keep it illegal - alcohol is bad enough without having to deal with weed as well.

Explain.

Stupid comments like this are really frustrating to read because they make no ****ing sense at all.

 

[CptStern]

At least if you buy government regulated marijuana, you wouldn't have to worry about it being laced, which can bring unexpected and dangerous side effects.

in reality this is rarely ever the case. why would a dealer purposefully turn away customers? unless you're getting it from some guy at some random corner your dealer has a vested interest in giving you what you're paying for: profit margins on weed are so small that they need to sell in bulk. lacing it will almost ensure that the person will never return to purchase from the dealer again. he'd be shooting himself in the foot. this is a scare tactic used by anti-legalisation pundits that really doesnt hold up in reality

 

[Tyguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJbh-O7-44Y

couldn't say it better than that

 

[VirusType2]

in reality this is rarely ever the case. why would a dealer purposefully turn away customers? unless you're getting it from some guy at some random corner your dealer has a vested interest in giving you what you're paying for: profit margins on weed are so small that they need to sell in bulk. lacing it will almost ensure that the person will never return to purchase from the dealer again. he'd be shooting himself in the foot. this is a scare tactic used by anti-legalisation pundits that really doesnt hold up in reality

I smoked for a long time, and trust me, you get laced weed sometimes.

Obviously, they aren't intentionally hurting customers. It's about making a larger profit.

They might want to make it more powerful (spraying it with chemicals), or making it weigh more somehow, or mixing fake ingredients (like oregano), or a combination of all three of these things by the time it goes through big time and small time dealers.

 

[Big_Odessa]

Keep it illegal - alcohol is bad enough without having to deal with weed as well.

we are dealing with weed right now. its not like legalizing weed will introduce a new substance into society... maybe if weed was legal less people would drink thus resulting in less accidents and poisoning.


as for buying laced marijuana, it rarely happens. it makes no sense for a dealer to put cocaine or heroin in a bag of weed. a gram of cocaine can cost over 100$ were as a gram of weed is priced 10-30$ depending on quality. the only time weed is laced is for user consumption.

foreign objects i weed like glass or plastic is usually put into brick weed(compressed weed) to add weight. to avoid this just buy from a reliable dude.

 

[VirusType2]

I never said it happens a lot, in fact I said to the contrary, but if you smoke for decades, you will definitely come across some. And I never had a reliable dealer for long. After a couple of months, they always disappear.

 

[CptStern]

I smoked for a long time, and trust me, you get laced weed sometimes.

I've been smoking longer than most people here have been alive. I've never ever bought laced weed. I've laced it afterwards but never before. no dealer would lace weed with an even more expensive drug. also I've been using the same guy for 8 years and a bunch of other people occasionally

Obviously, they aren't intentionally hurting customers. It's about making a larger profit.

They might want to make it more powerful (spraying it with chemicals), or making it weigh more somehow, or mixing fake ingredients (like oregano), or a combination of all three of these things by the time it goes through big time and small time dealers.

I've never heard of anyone spraying weed with anything (not after it's been harvested). I cant see how that would make any difference in terms of weight or even potency. also if you're getting oregano you're obviously buying from some guy on a street corner. I have never ever been sold oregano, that shit has a very distinct smell.

 

[VirusType2]

I've been smoking longer than most people here have been alive.

Same here. I guess this is the dick measuring contest.

I've never heard of anyone spraying weed with anything (not after it's been harvested). I cant see how that would make any difference in terms of weight or even potency. also if you're getting oregano you're obviously buying from some guy on a street corner. I have never ever been sold oregano, that shit has a very distinct smell.

It must be nice. Prices have nearly quadrupled in 10 years and it's usually very hard to find. So it pays to know dozens or even hundreds of people to get it from. My state is one of the most heavily enforced.

But how in the world did you guys think I meant they would put coke or something expensive in there. You spray it with household chemicals, or mix some embalming fluid in it, or any number of things. It increases the weight, and, for good or bad, it multiplies the high.

By the way, I wonder if Uncle Sam would be kind enough to take out the seeds.

And just for the record I flat out do not use illegal drugs, this was years ago. If they legalized it, I'd probably smoke it a handful of times a year, I have bills to pay.

 

[CptStern]

In the Connecticut area the laced marijuana is known as 'illy'. Other areas such as Chicago, IL refer to the mixture as 'happy sticks', which are hollowed out cigar blunts filled with marijuana, PCP and dipped in embalming fluid.

it's dipped after it's been rolled by the user. there's no mention of the bud itself being dipped. just the joint.

dealers allowed individuals to dip a cigarette into a small container of embalming fluid for approximately $20 per dip.

again it sounds like it's done after the fact not as a way of adding weight ($20 a dip doesnt make it cheaper)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar...angers_of_marijuana_laced_pg2_pg2.html?cat=47

 

[VirusType2]

True, it adds to the cost if they use embalming fluid, but I've never dipped it myself. In my experience, the bud is dipped and when you buy it, it's wrapped tightly in aluminum foil. That was a bad example on my part, just ignore it.

But you guys are lucky to have a dependable and trustworthy person to get it from. If I wanted to get weed, 8/10 times I would have to buy it from someone I've never met before. Actually, it's usually it's from a friend who got it from one of their acquaintances.

I'm kind of mad about it. Do you know how many nights I bought a little shitty bag of shake for some outrageous price, or had to do without? That's why I ended up an alcoholic, because if I couldn't find any weed, it's not like I'm just going to be sober.

 

[Big_Odessa]

yes i have came across some laced weed a couple time but it had already been rolled or loaded in a bowl. every single time it happened was on 420 lol. i guess people want to step up there highs on that day. i took a toke of laced weed on accident and it tasted very nasty and metallicy. im more carefully when asking to toke from strangers now.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Virus and Stern are both suffering psychosis brought on by prolonged use of cannabis.
It all makes sense now!

 

[CptStern]

True, it adds to the cost if they use embalming fluid, but I've never dipped it myself. In my experience, the bud is dipped and when you buy it, it's wrapped tightly in aluminum foil. That was a bad example on my part, just ignore it.

I'd never "dip" although I've tried a little coke in there. perfer it without

But you guys are lucky to have a dependable and trustworthy person to get it from. If I wanted to get weed, 8/10 times I would have to buy it from someone I've never met before. Actually, it's usually it's from a friend who got it from one of their acquaintances.

not too weeks ago I left my wallet at the dealers by accident ..so far nothing has been charged on my credit cards :O

I'm kind of mad about it. Do you know how many nights I bought a little shitty bag of shake for some outrageous price, or had to do without? That's why I ended up an alcoholic, because if I couldn't find any weed, it's not like I'm just going to be sober.

I can find it fairly easily but more often than not I find it through a friend. and ithe price is the same every time ..although I'll complain if the weed is subpar. but generally it's fairly good. btw how much do you per ounce/gram?I pay 50-$60 (canadian) for a 1/4 ounce ..so about $200 an ounce for hydro

 

[VirusType2]

Well, when I smoked every day, it was 45 a quarter, then I met a guy who was bigger, and he wanted 40, then I met a guy who was bigger and it was 35, and so on. It got down to about 20 dollars a quarter ounce over a period of many years.

Then I moved around a lot and ended up quitting. About a year ago, a few friends at work smoked, and they all were paying and charging 70-80 dollars for a quarter ounce. I don't know if they realize they are being ripped off, or if it's just that dry around here.

Virus and Stern are both suffering psychosis brought on by prolonged use of cannabis.
It all makes sense now!

I had many problems before I smoked, that's why I smoked.

They call it self-medicating. I think I heard about 9/10 people with Bi Polar do it, but you can check that if you want
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=self+medicating+bi+polar&aq=f&aqi=&fp=82e34627c46f57f4

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

I remember being told by the nice man in school after being caught smoking weed that you can get lsd in your weed. Which is of course bullshit, as A) LSD is more expensive than pot, and B) LSD dissolves at room tempretures. Nice going.

Also, never had laced weed either.

 

[Tyguy]

I think a lot of people assume they have laced weed sometimes just because A) the way it burns or B) the weed is a lot stronger than usual. Neither means it's laced. The first example can be caused by the grower not flushing the weed before harvest, that is, not holding off on the nutrients for a week or so before it's ready. The second is just an example of good weed in my experience.

Although, If you ever smoke a bowl and wake up 4 hours later in the next town over wearing nothing but your underwear you might wanna consider the possibility.

 

[VirusType2]

Unless you learned all the different types and compared the highs, the differences in the strength and affect of the various strains of weed make dosage complete guesswork. I'd rather buy it from Wal-Mart, with a label on it with THC content clearly advertised.

You ever been like, '****, I have to go to work and I'm completely ****ing ripped'?. Misjudged the potency.

 

[CptStern]

I think a lot of people assume they have laced weed sometimes just because A) the way it burns or B) the weed is a lot stronger than usual. Neither means it's laced. The first example can be caused by the grower not flushing the weed before harvest, that is, not holding off on the nutrients for a week or so before it's ready. The second is just an example of good weed in my experience.

in my experience 99% of the time it doesnt burn correctly it's because it's too wet

Although, If you ever smoke a bowl and wake up 4 hours later in the next town over wearing nothing but your underwear you might wanna consider the possibility.

when you find weed that has those effects hook me up. because unless it's laced with heroin I aint gonna do anything I'll forget later. I've never tripped out or had a bad /out of control buzz on weed. I just get mellow. no wild sprees of debauchery ..I only get like that when I'm drinking

 

[No Limit]

when you find weed that has those effects hook me up. because unless it's laced with heroin I aint gonna do anything I'll forget later. I've never tripped out or had a bad /out of control buzz on weed. I just get mellow. no wild sprees of debauchery ..I only get like that when I'm drinking

Crazy shit like that happened to me only once off weed. I was young, just started smoking. And my new friends from my new rich school had some chronic whereas I only smoked swag before. We were going on a fishing trip at a small "lake" (I put that in quotes because our lakes are really water holes) in town; after smoking a couple bowls I was completely spaced out. My friends were talking to me and I couldn't understand shit. I only remember small parts of the entire trip, I think I spaced out in the back of the jeep most of the time. I doubt it was laced with anything, but nothing like that has every happened to me again (at least not on weed). And I've smoked chronic pretty much exclusively since.

 

[CptStern]

Crazy shit like that happened to me only once off weed. I was young, just started smoking. And my new friends from my new rich school had some chronic whereas I only smoked swag before. We were going on a fishing trip at a small "lake" (I put that in quotes because our lakes are really water holes) in town; after smoking a couple bowls I was completely spaced out. My friends were talking to me and I couldn't understand shit. I only remember small parts of the entire trip, I think I spaced out in the back of the jeep most of the time. I doubt it was laced with anything, but nothing like that has every happened to me again (at least not on weed). And I've smoked chronic pretty much exclusively since.

sounds like some of the "chronic" hydro I see every now and then. a bit in a joint and I'm dog eyed all night. but I'm clear headed and remember everything. I've never experienced memory blackouts from pot. booze yes but not pot or any other drug. besides my eyes most people probably wouldnt know I'm buzzing

 

[unozero]

Two completely different drugs tbh. Ever seen anyone get in a fight on weed? Or overdose and choke on their own vomit? I'm betting not.

it turns people in to under achievers.

 

[Absinthe]

it turns people in to under achievers.

Because it's not as if people don't underachieve by themselves.

Ignoring the dubious merit of your argument, why not just make underachieving illegal?

 

[kineaesth]

no dealer would lace weed with an even more expensive drug.

Except with trace amounts of something highly addictive, like methamphetamines. BUT WHY YOU SAY

To get you addicted to a relatively non-addicted substance, that's why. To make sure you always go to them for your weed because no-one else's quite hits the spot.

 

[CptStern]

it turns people in to under achievers.

are you going to cite a source, make a personal antedote or provide some non opinionated insight as backup to your statement?

"like omg at band camp there's this guy, well I think he's a guy he may be a gay guy but I digest. anyways there was this one time at bible camp when these teens who were up to no good (you can tell because one of them has an earing) rolled a pinecone and tried to smoke it and then they were like DUH for the rest of the semester, true story, scout's honour, cross my fingers hope to burn in H-E-double hockey sticks"

 

[unozero]

Because it's not as if people don't underachieve by themselves.

Ignoring the dubious merit of your argument, why not just make underachieving illegal?

That's a great Idea.


*writes it in notebook*

 

[Absinthe]

So do you actually have an argument.

 

[Vegeta897]

I'm pretty damn lazy and a definite underachiever and I don't even have an interest in weed.

 

[No Limit]

Except with trace amounts of something highly addictive, like methamphetamines. BUT WHY YOU SAY

To get you addicted to a relatively non-addicted substance, that's why. To make sure you always go to them for your weed because no-one else's quite hits the spot.

Just a few problems with that as any weed smoker will tell you.

First off the obvious, if you don't recognize meth in your weed you're not the brightest person around. Second weed dealers don't need to get you addicted, you are already addicted to weed. And most people don't have a whole lot of options when it comes to buying weed. Third no weed dealer would want to cut in to his profit by putting meth in their weed, it would cut their profit by a lot. Finally no weed dealer would want the risk of getting popped for selling meth. The punishment for selling weed is a slap on the hand compared to selling meth.

This entire idea that drug dealers lace their weed is absolutely insane; so people that have no idea as to what they are talking about should probably keep quiet on the subject.

it turns people in to under achievers.

I've been acheiving very well thank you very much. For my age I have probably the best job compared to any of my friends; most people don't acheive in their entire life what I've acheived already (not trying to brag here).

 

[Absinthe]

Eh.

I've never had my weed laced, but it has happened with friends of mine, and they're people who've smoked quite a bit. Although I've found it more common to find sandblasted shit than anything.

 

[No Limit]

Eh.

I've never had my weed laced, but it has happened with friends of mine, and they're people who've smoked quite a bit. Although I've found it more common to find sandblasted shit than anything.

Not with meth. And what possible reason could any dealer have to lace weed with a stronger drug; I don't mean sandblasting.

 

[Absinthe]

Not meth, but cocaine. Why? I dunno. I just know it's happened. It does seem stupid to lace your product with a stronger (and more expensive) drug. I don't see it as a viable way to hook customers since:

1.) If you're buying from a dealer, you probably know enough about weed to tell when it's been tampered with.
2.) It doesn't seem cost effective.
3.) The only way I can see it working is if the dealer is your sole supplier, but most people I know and myself included have about three or four for the sake of convenience.

Now, there is a definitely a market for people who actively seek out laced bud. But that's different from trying to ensnare poor, unsuspecting potheads.

 

[No Limit]

Cocaine wouldn't do anything to you if burned, it would just **** up your lungs from what I know (I do remember a person putting it in a joint for some reason). And if it's crack you would notice it in your weed (not to mention the difference between a crack high and a pot high would be obvious).

 

[Absinthe]

A lot of the coke is wasted (making it pretty pointless), but it can still be smoked. At least that's my understanding. And you need to burn it a pretty high temperature, making it better suited to a bowl than a joint.

Of course, this is a world of cannabis use I've never been interested in, so I'm all for being corrected.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

I don't care about counter-arguments; keep it illegal. Criminalize tobacco while we're at it. We're only a couple laws away from a smoker being unable to do it in their own home, who's with me?

 

[Absinthe]

I would also like to note that I am indeed an underachiever, and it has nothing to do with my marijuana consumption.

No, I just masturbate a lot. Why try when I can just sit back in my chair and google free porn all day? Search engines, and all pornography by extension, are an enabler of uselessness. We should not tolerate them.

Write your congressman and express your desire to see them prohibited from your state.

 

[kineaesth]

First off the obvious, if you don't recognize meth in your weed you're not the brightest person around.

"Hello first time/novice weed smoker! Would you like to buy some weed from me, a gang member? I guarantee you it will get you more ****ed up than any other weed, it's really good quality!"

Second weed dealers don't need to get you addicted, you are already addicted to weed.

Totally different argument, of course. Weed, in the grand scheme of things, is only slightly chemically addictive. It mainly forms dependencies, not addictions.

Third no weed dealer would want to cut in to his profit by putting meth in their weed, it would cut their profit by a lot.

Except when they successfully get you hooked on their specific brand of weed, as in meth.

Finally no weed dealer would want the risk of getting popped for selling meth. The punishment for selling weed is a slap on the hand compared to selling meth.

Dubious.

people that have no idea as to what they are talking about should probably keep quiet on the subject..

Oh gosh, sorry

 

[Stigmata]

it turns people in to under achievers.

Tell that to the millions of Americans who smoke weed and still, somehow, manage to keep a full-time job.