legalize weed in california???

[VirusType2]

In this world, it is always the people vehemently against something that don't know enough about it to even make an informed decision.

Is pot good for you? Will it make you ace all your tests and fly to the top of the company ladder? No, but there are worse things in most of the food you eat.

Everything in moderation. Everything is bad for you if you do it too much.

 

[Solaris]

I say it should be legal. If it starts to have a major negative impact on society then make it illegal again.

Just off topic, the other day I had a 'bucket' containing what I thought was weed.
However it just made me very very tired, then I got up and started walking and I started seeing all kinds of shit. Everything went purple, my field of vision increased, everything seemed super 'real'. I thought friends were with me who wern't. Then I'd become sober again and everything was normal for a minute or so, then boom tripping again. Was weird as ****, any idea what I had helplife2.net?

 

[CptStern]

Except when they successfully get you hooked on their specific brand of weed, as in meth.

this is silly. first of all no dealer has a "specific brand of weed" ..most dealers are not growers. they buy from growers who like any horticulturalist out there can tell you that different strains of anything produce different results. so people arent getting "addicted" to someone's "specific brand of weed". they may prefer a certain type of weed but the differences are not as varying as you're suggesting. one doesnt "hook" you more than the other

Dubious.

no, not dubious. most "dealers" are actually just smokers who buy for their friends. they have no interest in doing it as a career. you literally have to sell the stuff by the pound to make any sort of living wage. most "dealers" dont have access to that sort of cash/weed connections. most "dealers" are middlemen for growers. growers can supply dozens of "dealers" from the guy who gets it on the weekend to the guy that buys it by the pound.. it's a trickle down business from grower to dozens of distributors

 

[Danimal]

Legalise weed everywhere.

Also; just skimmed over the post above, and lol'd a little.

Hooked on Purple Haze, bro.

 

[kineaesth]

this is silly. first of all no dealer has a "specific brand of weed"so people arent getting "addicted" to someone's "specific brand of weed".

Unless it's laced with methamphetamine. You ignored the second part of that sentence.

no, not dubious. [...]

You've responded to a completely different point, good job.

 

[No Limit]

"Hello first time/novice weed smoker! Would you like to buy some weed from me, a gang member? I guarantee you it will get you more ****ed up than any other weed, it's really good quality!"

Please don't tell me that you actually think this is how drug deals go down?

Totally different argument, of course. Weed, in the grand scheme of things, is only slightly chemically addictive. It mainly forms dependencies, not addictions.

The fact that weed isn't addictive is a myth in my opinion. But we've been down this road before and not a discussion for this topic. My only point would be that I've been in the position where me and my friends couldn't find weed, it sucks.

Except when they successfully get you hooked on their specific brand of weed, as in meth.

You would be an idiot not to notice meth in your weed. And if you're too stupid to someone else won't be. I can't think of a better reason to beat the shit out of a weed dealer than for putting meth in my weed.

And you have absolutely no idea of how the weed dealing industry works. I would disagree with Stern that you can't make money selling small amounts, you sure can make more this way then some medicore job. But that profit would be gone if you started putting meth in to your weed. Meth gram for gram is much more expensive than weed. And part of telling if you have good weed isn't how high it gets you, most of it is in looking at the actual weed.

Dubious.

How so? Dealing weed is probation if you play it right and get a good lawyer. Dealing meth is hard prison. You think a weed dealer doesn't think about this? They are some of the most paranoid people you'll meet.

Oh gosh, sorry

[/quote]

Apperantly you aren't because you keep making these absurd statements about weed.

 

[No Limit]

A lot of the coke is wasted (making it pretty pointless), but it can still be smoked. At least that's my understanding. And you need to burn it a pretty high temperature, making it better suited to a bowl than a joint.

Of course, this is a world of cannabis use I've never been interested in, so I'm all for being corrected.

From everything I heard burning powdered coke is extremely bad for your lungs and doesn't have any real effect on your state. I'd google around but being at work thats probably not a good topic to be searching for.

It just makes no logical sense to put coke in weed. I think anyone that thinks had this happen to them is simply high on some really good weed and tries to find a reason to explain this.

 

[CptStern]

Unless it's laced with methamphetamine. You ignored the second part of that sentence.

I ignored because it's as stupid as saying "weed laced with bleach"

I've met literally hundreds of dealers and thousands of people who smoke reguarily and have NEVER run into anyone who laced it with methamphetamine. I've seen it laced with opium, cocaine and even crack and every single time it was laced by the USER not the dealer. to even suggest that the norm is that delears lace their product with methamphetamines just shows who ignorant you are on this particular subject. it's not at all cost effective and why would anyone who's "business" relys on repeat or steady flow of customers intentionally tamper with their product in a harmful way?

unless you can come up with some stat that says a majority of dealers lace their product with methamphetamines your point is meaningless. it's all speculative drivel based on nothing but hearsay and conjecture

You've responded to a completely different point, good job.

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so what point where you trying to make? that the penalty for possession of meth is not more grave than pot possession? well then, it's not at all "dubious" because:

Federal mandatory drug sentences are determined based on three factors: the type of drug, weight of the drug mixture (or alleged weight in conspiracy cases), and the number of prior convictions.

it's not even the same penalty in your country:

The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 is an Act of Parliament that forms the central piece of legislation around the United Kingdom's drug policy is built.

The Act sets out three separate categories, Class A, Class B, and Class C. Class A drugs represent those that the British Government has deemed most dangerous, and so carry the harshest punishments.

it's a class A drug while marijuana is in class B

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Do you think he's from the UK?
I mean that's pretty much as opposite as you can get. I don't think he could live further away, realistically.

Why do you have to make this such a great big pissing contest.

 

[CptStern]

yes I thought he's from the UK. and how am I making this a pissing contest? I just jumped into the middle of an already in progress pissing contest

 

[Big_Odessa]

OMFG NOBODY SELLS LACES WEED. OR EVEN LACES WEED WITH METH. the only time its laced is when a somebody deliberately puts it in and smokes it THEMSELVES but they never sell it. that would be a waste of money. you smoke meth from a bulb pipe. i doubt it would even work with a joint or a bowl. and why would any dealer even if it was a gang member but meth in weed. it takes time and money to make meth. by putting it in a bag you would probably lose money. and even if you did smoke it you would tell from the taste and the feeling. if you dont know anything about weed then dont comment about stupid things that never happen. if you find any record of a dealer lacing weed to get there costumers "hooked" then i will bow down to you.

and nobody only smokes one brand of weed. they may prefer a certain kind just like i prefer glazed donuts but i will still eat the kind with jelly in them.

if weed was legal we wouldnt even have to worry about all of this. the only reason y people thinks its bad is because the government calls it a "drug" and since we were little kids we were told that drus are bad. but how is a naturally god grown plant a drug. just think about it. there is no reason for weed to stay illegal.

 

[Stigmata]

OMFG NOBODY SELLS LACES WEED. OR EVEN LACES WEED WITH METH. the only time its laced is when a somebody deliberately puts it in and smokes it THEMSELVES but they never sell it. that would be a waste of money. you smoke meth from a bulb pipe. i doubt it would even work with a joint or a bowl. and why would any dealer even if it was a gang member but meth in weed. it takes time and money to make meth. by putting it in a bag you would probably lose money. and even if you did smoke it you would tell from the taste and the feeling. if you dont know anything about weed then dont comment about stupid things that never happen. if you find any record of a dealer lacing weed to get there costumers "hooked" then i will bow down to you.

and nobody only smokes one brand of weed. they may prefer a certain kind just like i prefer glazed donuts but i will still eat the kind with jelly in them.

if weed was legal we wouldnt even have to worry about all of this. the only reason y people thinks its bad is because the government calls it a "drug" and since we were little kids we were told that drus are bad. but how is a naturally god grown plant a drug. just think about it. there is no reason for weed to stay illegal.

Actually, against your first point, I've heard that a good marketing strategy would be for a dealer to lace his weed with meth/PCP/etc the first time, and when his customers come back he tells them "Oh yeah man that stuff was laced with <drug here>, want some of that?" BAM, hooked.

But you'd have to be an idiot to actually buy meth.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

But you'd have to be an idiot to actually buy meth.

But you do get a free baby and face.

 

[No Limit]

Actually, against your first point, I've heard that a good marketing strategy would be for a dealer to lace his weed with meth/PCP/etc the first time, and when his customers come back he tells them "Oh yeah man that stuff was laced with <drug here>, want some of that?" BAM, hooked.

But you'd have to be an idiot to actually buy meth.

You should reread the last page or 2 of this thread.

 

[Stigmata]

I said it was a good marketing strategy, not that I'd ever encountered it. And it would work.

 

[No Limit]

And it would work.

No it wouldn't, you would know why if you read back a page or 2.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Why is it relevant to the question of legalisation that unscrupulous illegal dealers might sell unscrupulous illegal drugs?

 

[Absinthe]

There's a widespread and nonsensical belief held by many Americans that legalization would somehow increase the abundance of contaminated product due to the inevitably higher distribution of it. It might be a rational fear, because I certainly remember all those times I had my beer or cigarettes spiked with PCP.

 

[Tyguy]

Absinthe, we both know the government would never take part in the distribution of a substance that wasn't physically addicting...that's not in its best interest.

It's all about money and as long as the alcohol and cigarette companies are bringing it in nothing else stands a chance.

 

[Solaris]

Absinthe, we both know the government would never take part in the distribution of a substance that wasn't physically addicting...that's not in its best interest.

It's all about money and as long as the alcohol and cigarette companies are bringing it in nothing else stands a chance.

Come on, do you really believe this?

Candy isn't addictive, nor is television...

You really think Obama is sat there thinking, 'if only weed would make me money, I could legalise it'.

I like to think most law makers have public interest genuinely at heart.

 

[No Limit]

Why is it relevant to the question of legalisation that unscrupulous illegal dealers might sell unscrupulous illegal drugs?

Hopefully if people are a bit more informed about pot they can make a better decision about wether or not it should be legalized. People that think weed dealers are gangsters who lace their pot with meth have aboslutely no understanding of the issue.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Absinthe, we both know the government would never take part in the distribution of a substance that wasn't physically addicting...that's not in its best interest.

It's all about money and as long as the alcohol and cigarette companies are bringing it in nothing else stands a chance.

I don't think thats the issue. Why isn't heroin legal then? Thats addictive, and the govt would make lots of money by your logic.

 

[kineaesth]

unless you can come up with some stat that says a majority of dealers lace their product with methamphetamines your point is meaningless.

MY ACHILLES FOOT

 

[CptStern]

heel, your achilles heel, you'rea heel

 

[kineaesth]

On to it as always, my friend.

 

[CptStern]

so ..what were we discussing again? oh ya, so we're all in agreement? drugs for some, no drugs for others? and never the two shall meet

 

[DEATHMASTER]

no, illegalize regular smoking along with it.

 

[Tyguy]

I don't think thats the issue. Why isn't heroin legal then? Thats addictive, and the govt would make lots of money by your logic.

Ya but it's blatantly dangerous whereas continuous smoking and alcohol consumption can often fly below the radar. Then there's the high likelihood that there would be an influx of transmitted diseases.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

no, illegalize regular smoking along with it.

Cause making things illegal always makes it safer for users and non-users alike.

 

[Big_Odessa]

heres is a commercial that is being aired in California. i hear it has been doing very well with high ratings (no pun intended). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0mEDE_w1xo

 

[Absinthe]

no, illegalize regular smoking along with it.

While I appreciate the consistency, this is even more stupid than merely making an exception for currently legal drugs.

 

[No Limit]

no, illegalize regular smoking along with it.

Lets illegalize jerking off while we're at it.