Revolution Controller UNVEILED!

[Vegeta897]

It's wireless?

 

[Raziaar]

It's wireless?

I was giving an example about technological change.

 

[Kitfox]

LOL. I love technological change. I just don't really like this idea, from an aesthetical and functional standpoint.

Then again, I don't like wireless technology either. Not because I don't like change in technology, its the fact that while the things are wireless, they require batteries! And batteries add up, and a bullshit of a hassle to always be replacing batteries.

Well then you should blame your ancestors for not supporting Tesla when he said he could conduct usable electricity through thin air. They called him crazy. Now you must suffer the consiqunces since he's dead.

 

[Raziaar]

Well then you should blame your ancestors for not supporting Tesla when he said he could conduct usable electricity through thin air. They called him crazy. Now you must suffer the consiqunces since he's dead.

LOL's at the sarcasm.

 

[Vegeta897]

Well then you should blame your ancestors for not supporting Tesla when he said he could conduct usable electricity through thin air. They called him crazy. Now you must suffer the consiqunces since he's dead.

That's kind of depressing...

 

[Raziaar]

So you're the kind of person who'd choose looks over functionality.

Good luck with that attitude in the real world.

Just for your info, you'll be spending most of the time staring at the screen when you're playing, not at the controller. Who cares whether it looks like a pile of shit or a boobie.

Oh. I missed this. No, i'm not a person who chooses looks over functionality. I've been saying IT DOESN'T LOOK PRACTICAL. This one does


Geez. Chill out.



On a friendly note... why did they make it look like a remote controller anyways? Couldn't they add the same function into a more comfortable, ergonomic handheld controller?

 

[DarkStar]

Looks kinda like a medical device to me.

Sorta like a breast-pump or something. lol.

 

[Vegeta897]

On a friendly note... why did they make it look like a remote controller anyways? Couldn't they add the same function into a more comfortable, ergonomic handheld controller?

That's what I said. Why make is a big rectangle :| It's not natural. Make it fit your hand better, like any other game controller. Maybe a little inward curve for the palm, and maybe have that rubber for grip.

 

[Pi Mu Rho]

It was also said in the keynote speech that the design shown wasn't necessary the design that will ship.

 

[Dekstar]

they made it look like a remote control so that people wouldn't be afraid of it if they hadn't used a controller before.

Nintendo said that they wanted the console to also attract new customers who had only used things like remotes.

 

[Raziaar]

they made it look like a remote control so that people wouldn't be afraid of it if they hadn't used a controller before.

Nintendo said that they wanted the console to also attract new customers who had only used things like remotes.

Ahhh... appealing to the braindead channel surfers. I see.

 

[The Mullinator]

Ahhh... appealing to the braindead channel surfers. I see.

... Or the Moms and Dads of the world who have never gotten into their kids video game habits.

 

[TheSomeone]

You can't blame Raziaar for his view. Just leave him be.

Blame him? I'm just openly disagreeing with him,I can't do that?.

*Durring the presidential debate:
Mediator: Kerry, you can't blame George Bush for his view! Just leave him be!*

I just think Razi's view is completely unbased and ignorant, that's all. He's judging how good a console will be based on the picture of a controller. There goes an entire century of teaching kids to look beyond the surface.

It's wireless?

Hum, yeah...

 

[Raziaar]

Blame him? I'm just openly disagreeing with him,I can't do that?.

*Durring the presidential debate:
Mediator: Kerry, you can't blame George Bush for his view! Just leave him be!*

I just think Razi's view is completely unbased and ignorant, that's all. He's judging how good a console will be based on the picture of a controller. There goes an entire century of teaching kids to look beyond the surface.

I think you're getting your panties in a bunch over nothing, man. People judge thing all the time based on their looks. Video games in particular.

However, i'm not doing that here, i'm not judging based purely on aesthetics. I mean, if its a great product, its a great product even if it looks ugly. Thats what I think about the new xbox 360. Looks ugly with all its 'stylish' curves and such. Looks like a kitchen appliance, not a gaming system. However, I don't really carea bout that.

My aesthetics from the pictures, and the way the people are holding it, is based on my knowledge of how comfortable something can be based on its look. I was commenting on the current model, of the current picture that was shown. It looks blocky, and very very uncomfortable to use for long periods of time. It's not unfairly judging a book by its cover, its accurately describing how uncomfortable it will likely be. Most controllers are curved and contoured to shape a user's hand. Simply put, they're ergonomically designed, whereas the blocky, completely square remote controller in that picture, is not.

Same goes for the buttons. I'm not judging their appearance, i'm judging their functionality from the pictures. I don't HAVE to use it in person to know how it would feel. I can take that picture, which shows a human hand scaled to it, and see that the buttons are spaced all wrong for any semblence of order unless you plan on having a steeper learning curve.

<shrugs> Thats all. My argument is, take the greatest feature of the device, which is obviously the unique ability to use it as a pointer, and combine it with an attractive, functional, and intuitive control scheme, making the aforementioned technology the primary gimmick, yet also being an option if the user is not comfortable with it. I realize that the design shown is not the final product, noone knows what the final product will look like. I'm judging based PURELY on the currently shown pictures.



ANd based purely on my skeptical, many years of experience as an fps gamer, I don't think it is at all possible to use that device as a more accurate version of a mouse, for pointing at things across a screen. Call me crazy, but hand eye coordination works FAR more fluidly and effectively for me using a mouse to reach an object on screen, than say taking a laser pointer(which is what this thing is, and centering it on an object on the screen without jittering around or having my arm go tired and totally ruining my aim. You need a much more differenc concept to be able to take down the good old mouse as far as hand-eye coordination goes. Laser pointers are far more clunky than a precision mouse.

 

[TheSomeone]

Razi, I realize it seems like I'm attacking you, but I'm really not, I'm attacking your opinion. I still love everyone on this forum very much.

I don't beleive you can judge how comfortable it is from this picture. I'm 100% sure nintendo took comfort into account and designed the buttons so that they were as comfortably placed as possible.

The controller isn't actually a laser pointer, it's much more like an arcade gun. A laser pointer is much smaller and lighter, making it less stable. Do you think you would play time crisis better with a mouse or a fake gun? Or rather If you were at an arcade, would you seriously choose the mouse over the arcade gun?

According to people who have tried it, aiming feels very natural. I don't think you should contradict them without having even tried it, that's just silly.

As for it being square, you have to know a few things about anatomy to understand this. But the reason a controller has to have the bottom curve is because the controllers are thick and the curve needs to follow the curve of the knucles and the second phallanges. In a small remote-control like object, you need a straight line in order to follow the straight line of the two pads on the bottom of the hand. If you hold a thin remote control, you'll notice your hand doesn't actually wrap around the object. You use the pads of your hand on one side and your bottom three fingers on the other. It's very comfortable. If you have a thin remote control, try it.

 

[Raziaar]

Razi, I realize it seems like I'm attacking you, but I'm really not, I'm attacking your opinion. I still love everyone on this forum very much.

I don't beleive you can judge how comfortable it is from this picture. I'm 100% sure nintendo took comfort into account and designed the buttons so that they were as comfortably placed as possible.

The controller isn't actually a laser pointer, it's much more like an arcade gun. A laser pointer is much smaller and lighter, making it less stable. Do you think you would play time crisis better with a mouse or a fake gun? Or rather: Do you think you'd have more fun playing with a mouse or a mouse or a fake gun? If you were at an arcade, would you seriously choose the mouse over the arcade gun?

According to people who have tried it, aiming feels very natural. I don't think you should contradict them without having even tried it, that's just silly.

As for it being square, you have to know a few things about anatomy to understand this. But the reason a controller has to have the bottom curve is because the controllers are thick and the curve needs to follow the curve of the knucles and the second phallanges. In a small remote-control like object, you need a straight line in order to follow the straight line of the two pads on the bottom of the hand. If you hold a thin remote control, you'll notice your hand doesn't actually wrap around the object. You use the pads of your hand on one side and your bottom three fingers on the other. It's very comfortable. If you have a thin remote control, try it.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. That's the best course of action. Neither of us will change the others mind. And just a side note, I have spare dense polystyrene around, and a hot knife tool, and can easily carve a shape exactly like that shown on the picture, carving out little buttons just to feel how comfortable it is. But I don't really have a need to do that, I have a flat, very square controller here, and its very uncomfortable to use for any significant duration. The thing needs to fit your hand like a glove to be comfortable, not feel like you're holding a block of wood.

 

[Asuka]

Looks very interesting. Cant wait for more details.

 

[Stigmata]

Same goes for the buttons. I'm not judging their appearance, i'm judging their functionality from the pictures. I don't HAVE to use it in person to know how it would feel. I can take that picture, which shows a human hand scaled to it, and see that the buttons are spaced all wrong for any semblence of order unless you plan on having a steeper learning curve.

Actually, you do.

Example: I thought the Gamecube controller would be really uncomfortable when I first saw it. Then I used it, and my hands quite nearly melted into it.

And I thought the 360's controller looked too smooth and flat to be comfortable to hold. But apparently, it's one of the most comfortable controllers ever.

Just hold your judgements on the controller's feel until after you've used it.

And Absinthe: I've lost some of my respect for you over what you've said in this thread. You're still smart, and hilarious, but from here on in, I'm going to take your opinions on anything gaming-related with a dumptruck full of salt

 

[Raziaar]

Actually, you do.
Example: I thought the Gamecube controller would be really uncomfortable when I first saw it. Then I used it, and my hands quite nearly melted into it.

Dude. I have controllers that look EXACTLY like that. Even ones with more ergonomic shape, and they don't feel comfortable enough for extended use. Its more difficult for game controllers like xbox and sony to judge, because you don't have stuff just laying around with the exact same shape, but with this controller, you do. Don't see how hard that is to comprehend.

 

[Absinthe]

And Absinthe: I've lost some of my respect for you over what you've said in this thread. You're still smart, and hilarious, but from here on in, I'm going to take your opinions on anything gaming-related with a dumptruck full of salt

Because I don't care for this control scheme? Or because of my heated two-response debate with Cyberman? If that's what it took to lose respect, it couldn't have taken much to gain in the beginning. :\

I find the insinuation that my views regarding anything game-related are invalid to be extremely ridiculous, if I may candidly say so.

 

[Crushenator 500]

Dude. I have controllers that look EXACTLY like that. Even ones with more ergonomic shape, and they don't feel comfortable enough for extended use. Its more difficult for game controllers like xbox and sony to judge, because you don't have stuff just laying around with the exact same shape, but with this controller, you do. Don't see how hard that is to comprehend.

It's not a flat bar though, its got a trigger thing on the bottom, and is curved all around.. without just saying 'so its still square!!' think about it, and put your hand in that position, i bet you it's still comfortable ( http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651301/img_3074011.html )

Regarding the button layout, look at this picture http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651301/img_3074000.html

The big A button and the B trigger are both right there, you dont have to move your fingers away from them at all, and i'm sure that they're pretty much all you're gonna be using most of the time. The other 2 buttons are likely for things of lesser importance, kinda like the black and white buttons on an xbox controller

 

[sinkoman]

I'm guessing the bottom two are there for if you want to play NES style.

They both trigger the same action as the B Trigger and the big A button, but they're just there for if you decide to shift your hands (let's say for a classic mario game).

 

[Vegeta897]

But there is plenty of room near the thumb area to put those buttons. Having them at the bottom requires you to use your other hand to push them...

 

[TheSomeone]

But there is plenty of room near the thumb area to put those buttons. Having them at the bottom requires you to use your other hand to push them...

I think that's the point.

 

[Lemonking]

lets just wait and see

 

[sinkoman]

But there is plenty of room near the thumb area to put those buttons. Having them at the bottom requires you to use your other hand to push them...

Ok, now entering vegeta897 mode...

Did you even read my post?!?!

 

[SimonomiS]

Thinking about having it sideways NES style, won't the little curve for the trigger button make it slightly arkward?

 

[Crushenator 500]

Thinking about having it sideways NES style, won't the little curve for the trigger button make it slightly arkward?

I don't know about you, but if I get one I'm not gonna be playing NES games for hours, I'm gonna be playing shiny new revolution games :E

 

[Absinthe]

I don't know about you, but if I get one I'm not gonna be playing NES games for hours, I'm gonna be playing shiny new revolution games :E

Should it work out, I hope to God that Nintendo aren't the only ones utilizing it. It will be wasted on an endless parade of mascot games.

 

[SimonomiS]

I don't know about you, but if I get one I'm not gonna be playing NES games for hours, I'm gonna be playing shiny new revolution games :E

You never get a deep nostalgic yearning for old school?

 

[OCybrManO]

I know I do. There have been more than 20 years of advancements in computational power since the NES... and I still use my computer to play NES games.

 

[Absinthe]

Old school ftw.

I think I have my SNES around here somewhere.

Secret of Evermore... that game was the shit.

 

[TheSomeone]

Even the box art looked retarded back then.

 

[Absinthe]

It ruled the roost and you know it.

 

[Vegeta897]

Ok, now entering vegeta897 mode...

Did you even read my post?!?!

Chill out dude. Really. And don't try to make fun of me with the font thing, I don't do that on purpose, it's some stupid problem with the forum.

 

[sinkoman]

Chill out dude. Really. And don't try to make fun of me with the font thing, I don't do that on purpose, it's some stupid problem with the forum.

If this was real life, I would explain it as "a homely joke between two jokes, assuming that whom the joke was directed to, wouldn't take it personally".

I are sorry

 

[Crushenator 500]

So yeah... the controller looks awesome :E

 

[Reginald]

So yeah... the controller looks awesome :E

QFEtT*

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* Quoted for Emphasising the Truth.

 

[Cole]

You mean QFT.

 

[Crushenator 500]

He's emphasizing the point I made that the controller looks like it's going to be awesome...

Is that a wrong acronym to use? I think not